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I know plenty of climbs which have only bolts for protection which are not "sport."

Also, I share the dislike of the term "trad." It just does not roll of the tongue very nicely, and does little to dignifiy the style of climbing it is supposed to represent.

But then it is not as bad as a certain local good sport climber who used to call a climb requiring gear a "piece climb."

ksolem wrote:I know plenty of climbs which have only bolts for protection which are not "sport."

That´s true

charles wrote:

ksolem wrote:I know plenty of climbs which have only bolts for protection which are not "sport."

That´s true

(grabs a bag of pop-corn, sits back waiting for the flame war )

Nikolas_A wrote:

charles wrote:

ksolem wrote:I know plenty of climbs which have only bolts for protection which are not "sport."

That´s true

(grabs a bag of pop-corn, sits back waiting for the flame war )

And waits, and waits.......

Andinistaloco wrote:These days you could ask someone if they "want to go climbing?" And they wouldn't know if you meant in a gym, on a sport route, on a multipitch gear climb, or even to lug a huge mattress out to a 10-foot wall and fall on it all day. You pretty much have to specify, now.

With my climbing friends, the question that usually follows after someone asks if you want of go climbing is: where do you want to go? Once the location, or route choice is picked, the type of climbing is a foregone conclusion.

ksolem wrote:I know plenty of climbs which have only bolts for protection which are not "sport."

Also, I share the dislike of the term "trad."

Perfect..exactly.

Case in point, Stone Mountain NC.

Will definitely test the mettle of any climber, Tradist or Sportist. In most cases, the Sportist will be the first to back off and leave it for another day when their Sportist head evolves into a Climbers head.

BTW, Tom Higgins, the Grand Poopa of the term, has several routes that are "bolts only" and as Kris indicated, have been considered a "Trad" climb since their inception.

Dumbass Irrelevant Semantics.

It's like some out there that staunchly state that the Dry Flyer is the only true Fly Fisherman. Wrong.


You want the big fish..... gotta go deep.

RickF wrote:

Andinistaloco wrote:These days you could ask someone if they "want to go climbing?" And they wouldn't know if you meant in a gym, on a sport route, on a multipitch gear climb, or even to lug a huge mattress out to a 10-foot wall and fall on it all day. You pretty much have to specify, now.

With my climbing friends, the question that usually follows after someone asks if you want of go climbing is: where do you want to go? Once the location, or route choice is picked, the type of climbing is foregone conclusion.

That, too. Here the type almost always gets mentioned too, since we've got bouldering, trad, sport, and a gym, all within 15 miles of the town center.

Andinistaloco wrote: or even to lug a huge mattress out to a 10-foot wall and fall on it all day

For three days now, I've been laughing every time I form a picture of that.

Bob Sihler wrote:

Andinistaloco wrote: or even to lug a huge mattress out to a 10-foot wall and fall on it all day

For three days now, I've been laughing every time I form a picture of that.

Glad I could help.

...I've got to be careful who I laugh about it around. The gym climbers and the folks who fall on mattresses are starting to outnumber us cranky old bastards who didn't learn on plastic holds.