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fowweezer wrote:

truchas wrote: Well after reading this article, I agree with The Chief, foweaselman, and Gary. The private sector is just after profits...

Yes, I forgot that in your fucked up head, anyone left of Ron Paul is a communist.

Understanding my position would require that you understand why I, a market advocate, support cap-and-trade legislation. It would also require you to understand why I support the Federal Reserve, a capitalist institution. Also, it would require you to understand why I support fiscal conservatism but not social conservatism--unlike you puritanical hypocrites that have taken over the Republican Party. Unfortunately, all of these are views far too nuanced for your simple black and white, wrong and right, left and right, sad, misguided view of politics and political thought.

It would also require one to give a rats ass about your position.

Good Post Truchas-understanding my position would require you believe that I am not that cynical-the private sector is in it for profits, but I don't believe they'd create a war for profit, nor do I think the war had oil as the main agenda. I do believe there is profit in the rebuild. Not that anyone gives a rats ass what I think either. Look foweezle a post disagreeing with Truchas that doesn't name call! Take note.

Let's compare them to the CEO's of the top ten major private sectors annual salaries and their bonuses.

Those CEO's annual salaries, from the top ten Private Sector Corps, make more annually, than all these gov employees combined.

All this while the folks that do the labor that make all the bucks for them CEO's, get paid shit.

Now that makes tons of sense.

truchas wrote:Average them out and the govt. employees are rich compared to the private sector. And whose paying them? You and I. They're stealing from us. Socialism is corrupt.

NOT!

Here's the Top Ten CEO's for 2008:

Bruce Wasserstein $133,708,650
Eugene M. Isenberg $116,652,816
Aubrey K. McClendon $112,464,517
Lawrence J. Ellison $84,598,700
Richard C. Adkerson $77,085,387
Bob R. Simpson $53,482,631
Robert A. Iger $51,229,341
John R. Charman $46,770,492
Mario J. Gabelli $45,927,900
Jose Maria Alapont Ph.D. $43,878,871
(That's MILLIONS BTW)

Here's the top 100 list:

http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/pa ... top100.cfm

Post up the top 100 Gov't Employee Salary.

Let's see who is ripping who off.

Fret not fellow PNPers at the mention of my family -Consider the source-it is hard for fowlweezel to not be jealous....his only approach is to name call...that's all he's got.

The total for this nations top 100 CEO's salaries this year, tops out at over 3.7 BILLION dollars. That is over 1 BILLION alone more than the total FED CIV EMPLOYEE Salary budget for this fiscal year.

42% of those CEO's pertain to CORPS that were part of the BAIL OUT BILL. In other words, you and I paid their salaries this year.

So, who is ripping who off?

The Chief wrote:Let's compare them to the CEO's of the top ten major private sectors annual salaries and their bonuses.

Those CEO's annual salaries, from the top ten Private Sector Corps, make more annually, than all these gov employees combined.

All this while the folks that do the labor that make all the bucks for them CEO's, get paid shit.

Now that makes tons of sense.

The CEO's make exactly what they are worth, as determined by the market and the company owners.

peladoboton wrote:

Husker wrote::roll: Fret not fellow PNPers at the mention of my family -Consider the source-it is hard for fowlweezel to not be jealous....his only approach is to name call...that's all he's got.

for the first time in my PnP participation, i have to say you have won a smidge of my respect in your response to this one.

those were literal "i'm waiting for you in the parking lot" type words.

perhaps a new forum or thread entitled PnPPL?

(PnP Parking Lot)

I've been working very very hard for that smidge. I prefer to meet in a parking garage- a little more expensive, but no weather.

truchas wrote:

mconnell wrote:

The Chief wrote:Let's compare them to the CEO's of the top ten major private sectors annual salaries and their bonuses.

Those CEO's annual salaries, from the top ten Private Sector Corps, make more annually, than all these gov employees combined.

All this while the folks that do the labor that make all the bucks for them CEO's, get paid shit.

Now that makes tons of sense.

The CEO's make exactly what they are worth, as determined by the market and the company owners.

Excellent post. If the people that invested in these companies (voluntarily I might add) didn't like the salaries, they'd pull their money out. Unfortunately, we cannot pull out our money from the poorly run and greedy government.

That "poorly run and greedy government" put a man on the moon (and did lots of other significant things) and they did while being run by people who make a lot less than corporate execs. There's no question that some government employees are worthless freeloaders, but there are also a lot of dedicated, hard working, smart people in government service.

truchas wrote:

mconnell wrote:

The Chief wrote:Let's compare them to the CEO's of the top ten major private sectors annual salaries and their bonuses.

Those CEO's annual salaries, from the top ten Private Sector Corps, make more annually, than all these gov employees combined.

All this while the folks that do the labor that make all the bucks for them CEO's, get paid shit.

Now that makes tons of sense.

The CEO's make exactly what they are worth, as determined by the market and the company owners.

Excellent post. If the people that invested in these companies (voluntarily I might add) didn't like the salaries, they'd pull their money out. Unfortunately, we cannot pull out our money from the poorly run and greedy government.

Oh my, and the folks that do all the hard work that makes the bucks that pays the CEO's 7+ figure salary, have absolutely NO say in this.

This all while they get paid less than 1% of the CEO's salary.

Makes a bunch of sense... YUP!

truchas wrote:

mconnell wrote:

The Chief wrote:Let's compare them to the CEO's of the top ten major private sectors annual salaries and their bonuses.

Those CEO's annual salaries, from the top ten Private Sector Corps, make more annually, than all these gov employees combined.

All this while the folks that do the labor that make all the bucks for them CEO's, get paid shit.

Now that makes tons of sense.

The CEO's make exactly what they are worth, as determined by the market and the company owners.

Excellent post. If the people that invested in these companies (voluntarily I might add) didn't like the salaries, they'd pull their money out. Unfortunately, we cannot pull out our money from the poorly run and greedy government.

I think that the average investor is left with a little bit of a bad taste when they hear of the huge salaries drawn by CEO's, however the average investor is trying to build something to retire on. I don't think that's the same as approving of the salary paid to the CEO. That said, you would like to have someone good at the helm. I suppose one can hold their nose and hope to get positive returns.

The Chief wrote:

truchas wrote:Average them out and the govt. employees are rich compared to the private sector. And whose paying them? You and I. They're stealing from us. Socialism is corrupt.

NOT!

Here's the Top Ten CEO's for 2008:

Bruce Wasserstein $133,708,650
Eugene M. Isenberg $116,652,816
Aubrey K. McClendon $112,464,517
Lawrence J. Ellison $84,598,700
Richard C. Adkerson $77,085,387
Bob R. Simpson $53,482,631
Robert A. Iger $51,229,341
John R. Charman $46,770,492
Mario J. Gabelli $45,927,900
Jose Maria Alapont Ph.D. $43,878,871
(That's MILLIONS BTW)

Here's the top 100 list:

http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/pa ... top100.cfm

Post up the top 100 Gov't Employee Salary.

Let's see who is ripping who off.

By the way bright boy Wasserstien made a profit that year of 630 million dollars for the companies stock holders, He also gave 25 Million that year to Harvard Law School from his own funds.

He took risks and he was not playing with tax payers money. That is the difference

Wasserstien died this year. Leaving a great deal of his 2.3 Billion dollars to help others.

Mike Zastoupil wrote:

The Chief wrote:

truchas wrote:Average them out and the govt. employees are rich compared to the private sector. And whose paying them? You and I. They're stealing from us. Socialism is corrupt.

NOT!

Here's the Top Ten CEO's for 2008:

Bruce Wasserstein $133,708,650
Eugene M. Isenberg $116,652,816
Aubrey K. McClendon $112,464,517
Lawrence J. Ellison $84,598,700
Richard C. Adkerson $77,085,387
Bob R. Simpson $53,482,631
Robert A. Iger $51,229,341
John R. Charman $46,770,492
Mario J. Gabelli $45,927,900
Jose Maria Alapont Ph.D. $43,878,871
(That's MILLIONS BTW)

Here's the top 100 list:

http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/pa ... top100.cfm

Post up the top 100 Gov't Employee Salary.

Let's see who is ripping who off.

By the way bright boy Wasserstien made a profit that year of 630 million dollars for the companies stock holders, He also gave 25 Million that year to Harvard Law School from his own funds.

He took risks and he was not playing with tax payers money. That is the difference

Wasserstien died this year. Leaving a great deal of his 2.3 Billion dollars to help others.

OK... so now his sits at the right hand of God.

My Bad.

Who gives a shit. He gives his money to a Law School. BFD!

What risks did he take?

Why didn't he leave his money to the folks that made it for him?

Site what others he gave his money to... more Law Schools?

GTFO you Capitalistic greed monger...

Money doesn't make a Man.

truchas wrote:Do you think his employees lived in tents? And yea, he did take some risks along the way. Do you think his money was easy? And you're sarcastic about him giving money to charity? Give me a break... You probably watch Oprah every day.

Big Money Law School's AREN't charity.

Site some worthy COMMUNITY charities that he gave his money to..

Also,

HOW THE HELL IS CITIBANK and the rest of them BIG MONEY BANKS able to pay back their share of the stimulus money so quickly?

This time last year, they were all beyond broke.

I'll tell ya how.

Exuberant % RATE INCREASES out the ass paid by the consumer.

That's how.

Another great form of this great Capitalistic way of life.

Rip your clients/consumers off one way or another to make that buck.

His is just another example that ya can't take it with ya when ya die.

MONEY DOESN'T MAKE YA A MAN!

I doubt very much that Wasserstein had a single callous on his hands. An Investment Banker. Made his money off the money of others. Amazing how he died at such a young age of 61.

This guy is broke (monetarily) & has been for most of his life. And is still climbing his ass off and is going strong at the ripe age of 86.


He to me is far richer a man than gents the likes of Wasserstein ever could be.