The Chief wrote:Neophiteat48 wrote:So there isn't anyone here who can back up their statements and confirm they they obey each and every law on the books out there, never knowingly disobeying a single one?
Never speeding?yes i do
Never give an under 21 year old relative a sip of alcohol?no i don't
Never trespassed?no i don't
Never failed to come to a complete stop?wow, i have
Never cross the street except at crosswalks?a lot
Never voted twice in a recent election?NO- only dems do that
Never committed sodomy in Texas before the Supreme Court legalized it?sorry sir, i don't recall
Or any other laws? my wife and I "snuck" up the service elevator and thru the kitchen at the St Francis to the ballroom up top. Pretty cool up there at night, by ourselves gazing at the city
Your Post has nothing to do nor any relevance the ACCESS issues that prevail throughout the U.S.
That is a point that many I feel, do not get nor really seem to care about.
The difference here is flaunting it in a public forum. If it wasn't for GOOGLE or other search engines it probably wouldn't matter since no one would come across it. The moment you search "Shiprock" it comes up for everyone to see (ok, along with a hell of a lot of other pages).
I could care less if you break the law. If you get caught (more likely your cars tires slit for trespassing on Navajo land which I hear is common) its your own damn fault. Your decision, your consequences. If you post about it on the web, the consequences are no longer yours but the climbing community in general. More specificly the local community deals with it the most. Your action, other people get left dealing with the consequence. (This also pissed my off about the article in the climbing rags about illegal climbs in Red Rocks. It was written by guys from Seattle, without the input of the local
Access Fund Coordinator who is the guy who will end up dealing with the fall out.)
If your desire is to do so, fine, but keep your DAMN MOUTH shut about it.
Oh yeah, since they often slit the tires of those trespassing when they come upon an empty car with the owners off climb on Navajo land, some of them really do care.