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He shouldnt be alive but you can watch him this wk

PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:54 am
by Cy Kaicener
Jim Davidson of Colorado fell 80ft into a crevasse on Mt Rainier. He shouldnt be alive but you can watch him on television this week (from mountainproject.com)
http://www.rockandice.com/news/1320-he- ... im-tonight

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:44 am
by Josh Lewis
I heard about this but did not get to see it. So now I have another chance! :) Glad to hear.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:50 pm
by Klenke
"A climber of nearly 30 years and professional adventure speaker for his company, Speaking of Adventure, Davidson spoke about his Rainier experience recently at an American Alpine Club breakfast at the Ouray Ice Fest."

Wow, a professional adventure speaker with an eponymous company name falls into a crevasse and lives to tell a story about it? Hmmmm. What are the odds?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:45 am
by HeyItsBen
Klenke wrote:
Wow, a professional adventure speaker with an eponymous company name falls into a crevasse and lives to tell a story about it? Hmmmm. What are the odds?


His partner didn't survive the fall, I don't think it was a publicity stunt as your statement eludes...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:59 am
by Josh Lewis
Thats a pretty good point! I don't think anyone would go through that much for a public stunt. :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:13 am
by billisfree
The news media tends to embelish the true story... so now it comes to decide what is really accurate.

Seems odd that two "ice climbers" walked across a glacier using ice tools to probe the snow for crevasses, but I guess that's all they had.

Secondly, also seemed strange that the 80-ft crevasse was shown on TV - right in the midist of some rock outcroppings.
The show did not show the precise downward route these two traveled.

And lastly, sure is odd that this guy, will all the "improvised ice climbing tools and techniques"... took 6 hours to climb a mere 80-foot vertical ice wall. That's 13 feet per hour. He must have been taking his time and was in no hurry. The TV show liked to dramatize it as "must get out by sunset or die". Did he go back down and retrive his earlier ice anchors? The show didn't say. Nor did the show mention how many ice anchors he had.

There are some valuable lessons for us here... such as his partner was unable to self arrest and save his falling partner in the soft snow.

Oh... the perils of mountaineers to know to much... and wonder! Well excuse my "armchair mountaineering".

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:45 am
by SKI
billisfree wrote:Seems odd that two "ice climbers" walked across a glacier using ice tools to probe the snow for crevasses, but I guess that's all they had.

Secondly, also seemed strange that the 80-ft crevasse was shown on TV - right in the midist of some rock outcroppings.
The show did not show the precise downward route these two traveled.

And lastly, sure is odd that this guy, will all the "improvised ice climbing tools and techniques"... took 6 hours to climb a mere 80-foot vertical ice wall.


Bill, you're killing me.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:48 am
by Josh Lewis
Bill you can ask him this, he's on sp you know. :wink: I'm almost sure he's the real one too because I referred him to this site. And sometimes things like crevasse falls can be more serious that what meets the eyes.
http://www.summitpost.org/users/climber ... dson/67874

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:30 am
by billisfree
thanks Josh.

I e-mailed him. I hope he ain't swamped with e-mails.

His slide over soft snow reminds me of my slide on our Sahale climb. My axe would only slow me down... but did not grab until I pulled my body on top of my axe. Duh...

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:32 am
by Klenke
Benjamin: I was eluding to the irony of it, which itself carries with it other allusions.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:50 am
by HeyItsBen
It is kind of like having 10000 spoons, when all you need is a knife :D

I don't have TV so I didn't catch the show, but it would be interesting to hear a climber's account of what happened rather than the media...

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:09 am
by HeyItsBen
I know I know that was the lamest thing ever, Alanis and all, I'm really bored right now hehe

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:52 am
by Alasdair
Hes not the only person who has had a nasty crevasse fall on Mt. Rainier.

http://alasdairturner.blogspot.com/2009 ... s-ago.html

I was lucky.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:19 am
by billisfree
Wow... thanks for sharing!

Was there a depression where it collasped? how wide was the collasped section?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:54 am
by Hotfeet
I watching right now!