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Cow and guide tipping.

by ChristopherFranklin » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:10 am

Do they really sleep standing? How much do you all tip guides? If I do a big trip like Everest 20% is like 16k!! That can't be what people are tipping...is it?!

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Re: Cow and guide tipping.

by Scott » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:18 am

Only for restaurants in the US do people tip that much. Most guides or porters, where acceptable get tipped 10%. In heavily touristed peaks it might go up to 1 days pay for every 7 days work.

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Re: Cow and guide tipping.

by ChristopherFranklin » Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:22 am

Ok, and do you just tip the head guide and assume he divides it up amongst the other guieds?

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Re: Cow and guide tipping.

by Scott » Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:06 am

Is this a really question? It seems that you could figure that on your own. Personally, I would tip individually unless I really trusted the head guide.

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Re: Cow and guide tipping.

by ExcitableBoy » Fri Jun 10, 2016 6:05 pm

ChristopherFranklin wrote:Ok, and do you just tip the head guide and assume he divides it up amongst the other guieds?


I would personally tip guides individually and according to their performance. I was tipped with a brand new $400 GPS once after guiding a Rainier trip. Kind of hard to split that with the junior guide on the trip. It was more common to have meals/beers paid for than actual cash changing hands.

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Re: Cow and guide tipping.

by ChristopherFranklin » Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:24 am

So if you went on a trip that cost 10k and there's 4 guides, you'd give them each 1k?

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Re: Cow and guide tipping.

by ExcitableBoy » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:00 pm

ChristopherFranklin wrote:So if you went on a trip that cost 10k and there's 4 guides, you'd give them each 1k?


First off, I don't need a guide. Secondly, what trip are you planning where you have a 4:1 guide:client ratio that costs $10k?

But to answer your question, say you take a 21 day immersive alpine course. That can cost several thousand dollars. You will likely have a lead guide and some junior guides. I would distribute the tip (10% or whatever) among the guides based on how you feel their individual contributions were towards the success of the course and your learning experience.

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Re: Cow and guide tipping.

by Scott » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:29 pm

No, at most I’d divide 1K between 4 members of the trip. Also, the customary 1 day’s pay for every seven days work is based on the guides wages, not the cost of the entire trip. If they do an extraordinary job though, more is appreciated.

The questions you keep asking are leading me to believe that either you are just trolling us or that you know absolutely nothing about mountaineering. I’m not speaking of this question specifically, but the others as well. Some of them are really strange to anyone that even has a very basic understanding on mountaineering.

Are you asking these questions because you are going on a guided trip up Denali, are interesting in climbing in general, or are you just trolling?

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Re: Cow and guide tipping.

by ExcitableBoy » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:39 pm

Scott wrote:No, at most I’d divide 1K between 4 members of the trip. Also, the customary 1 day’s pay for every seven days work is based on the guides wages, not the cost of the entire trip. If they do an extraordinary job though, more is appreciated.

The questions you keep asking are leading me to believe that either you are just trolling us or that yo know absolutely nothing about mountaineering. I’m not speaking of this question specifically, but the others as well.

Are you asking these questions because you are going on a guided trip up Denali, are interesting in climbing in general, or are you just trolling?



I agree, on both points. The questions you are asking are very odd. It seems you know very little about mountaineering yet the very specific questions you ask (e.g. which jumar to buy, is my parka warm enough for Denali) leads me to think you are planning a Denali trip. If that is the case, you should reconsider and spend the money on an immersive 21 alpine climbing course. American Alpine Institute has excellent courses of this nature. I've climbed with a couple of partners who never climbed before, took this course, and were very solid partners from the get go.

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Re: Cow and guide tipping.

by ExcitableBoy » Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:32 pm

Scott wrote:Also, the customary 1 day’s pay for every seven days work is based on the guides wages, not the cost of the entire trip.


This is a very important distinction, and a very good point.

BITD when I was guiding, RMI paid $55 a day for junior guides, $110 for senior guides. AAI paid $110 per junior guides, $220 for senior guides. Really experienced and credentialed guides (i.e. IFMGA certified) could make as much as $300 a day. Not sure what the going wages are now, especially since more and more guides are becoming certified and generally more professional. I would expect senior/IFMGA certified guides making $300 a day as pretty standard. I know that a couple of Canadian guides were charging $600 a day to guide hard water ice climbs (i.e. WI 6).

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Re: Cow and guide tipping.

by Scott » Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:34 pm

If you really are going guided on Denali, I'd seriously suggest that you talk to your guide service about many of your questions. They will likely tell you what to bring, how to tip, etc.

This isn't a knock against guided climbing though as it can be a good way to build experience.

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Re: Cow and guide tipping.

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Re: Cow and guide tipping.

by Puma concolor » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:24 am

ChristopherFranklin wrote:So if you went on a trip that cost 10k and there's 4 guides, you'd give them each 1k?


That's a ridiculous amount.

You are not required to tip anything and should feel no obligation to do so.

Having said that, I have been all over the board when it comes to tipping in the small handful of guided trips I've done. It may sound silly, but I tip what I'm feeling at the moment the guided trip ends.

There were two trips where I tipped nothing. No knock on the guides whatsoever, but I was kind of strapped for money and had scraped up every available penny to make the trips happen. There was simply no money left in the budget for anything more. Another time, I tipped nothing but treated the guides and fellow clients to a big meal afterwards. I picked up the tab and it was somewhere around $300 or $400. On another guided trip, it was just one guide and two clients and I felt a little bit more of a personal connection with the guide so I tipped him $200 or so. And for Denali, I ran into some significant issues during my descent from the summit back to high camp (possibly early HACE although I can't be sure). They kind of went above and beyond in making sure I got back to high camp safely under my own power even though I asked them to leave me at Denali Pass during a tense exchange. I wound up tipping each of the guides $500 apiece and wrote a letter to the company expressing my appreciation. Both of the guys who helped me out were promoted to lead guides this year.

So really, do what you feel is right. These guys and gals are used to getting tips that range from stingy to overly generous so it's not like you're going to be blacklisted for not tipping enough.

Hope this helps. :)


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