As a member who tries not to read all the entries in the forums, and being an occasional visitor, I think this article is a good idea and it will go a long way to clear up some confusion that many members may have.
Good job Chad. I know you were kidding, but here's your 10x10 anyway.
Marc
LOL... I was referring to votes on my mountain pages Marc!
Yes, folks such as yourself (who do fantastic work in the real part of the site) were who I was thinking of when I put this together. It's hard to find anything in the forums at this point, much less a summary.
LOL back....I know you were referring to your M&R pages, but I wanted to vote on your article too.
I also know that you had my opinion about the voting system in mind, and I appreciate it.
I don't usually read forums either. It is nice to read about it in this form. So, how shall I vote on your photos submitted for this article? ha
How about votes which were inherited? e.g. someone adopted a mountain page, example Lizard Head which had a great page by Aaron Johnson, all text was deleted, they got empty page with lots of votes, put little information about it, but not to the previous standard? I guess here the wiki style would be good... Anyway, thanks for keeping us up to date.
Glad it helps Liba. If anyone wastes time voting on those pics... shame on them!
Too late for them to get POTD anyway. :-)
Elves can delete votes if they see an empty page, but I don't really think that situation is a big concern. Usually folks who bother to take pages like that do a pretty good job, so maybe they should keep the votes as an imaginary bonus.
Matt and I didn't get to explain about the technical side of what we did. But perhaps that makes it more of a mystery. ;-) It was a pleasure working with Matt. There was once were we both felt very different about the frontpage coloring. I wanted a faint yellow on the sides, while he wanted a powerful yellow. I came up with a compromise color which is what you see now. But had he not stepped in with his more powerful color, it would have looked a bit duller. From my end it very much felt like a collaboration. Matt would only approve of things that he thought worked out which most the time he liked my suggestions. A lot of this styling was made last July when I started styling my pages. I wanted to show SummitPost that it had the possibility of creating a modern look. My styling efforts paid off.
One might ask why gradient colors? Because that's what we see in nature. Things are not usually one solid color. This in turn creates a pleasing result. Thanks Chad for writing the article on this.
P.S. My 8/10 boosts this article. My 8/10 from now on means that I think this is "pretty good" or "great".
In keeping with the new paradigm; I only gave this page a 9. I mostly gave this because of the hard work and effort you boyz must have given to this upgrade. I am not a programmer, but I know they charge a lot of money on contracts. All the work must of consumed a lot of time. Thank you. Even though my power took a huge hit, I love this website. Keep up the great work.
Most everyone's power dropped by about 10-30%, but since it affected everyone there was only small shuffling when compared to others. I suppose we could have just multiplied them all by 20% and then some would go up a little and some down a little, but I figure its the same either way.
Most of the shift is probably due to lower values for images.
I didn't post this for votes. Just the best mechanism I could think of to get these changes in front of people outside the forums. If folks want to vote an article, I'd rather they go hit up Redwic's fine submission on glacier worms!
Yeah Man! The article on ice worms rocks! I am going to post a link on some local climbing blogs. I will try to hold back on my habit of giving the article 10 out of 10.
I lost roughly 40% of my power. But no biggie, I'm happy the priorities were shifted in the right direction for where points are assigned. That is way more important. Regarding voting 10's, yeah it's a hard habit to break, I caught myself voting 10's the other day and realized once again that we can vote honestly now.
Thanks to all of you working on improving SP.
Just a thought about giving pages in need of improvements votes 1-5. Let say the page gets improved to a high standard. I suspect it will have to live with the low votes for ever since no one keeps track of the votes cast.
There is still a feature where you can PM members about a vote. If a page has votes in the 1-5 range, and then a lot of work is done on the page later, then I hope folks feel free to use this feature. I wouldn't consider that vote grabbing.
If someone spruces up a page significantly I would be happy to take another quick look if it was mentioned to me.
I don't care what version SP is, I think you still deserve a 10/10 score for this informative article. I make a habit to not compare/contrast different articles, as each article contains different subject matter. When voting, I personally look at effort and content, first and foremost.
One recommendation I can give to other SP members for the new voting scheme is that if anyone gives a "down-vote" (or lower-than-normal vote) to a page contribution, inform the contributor why the down-vote occurred and what you think would make the page better. That will help contributors, and could possibly improve existing page scores if revisions are made, accordingly.
I appreciate the efforts of you, Josh, and Matt (among others). SPv3 is definitely an upgrade.
But this article lacks one important link.
Also, I think one thing needs correcting. The caption below the "Not a 10!" pic shouldn't read "good page=8" but "Very good page=8"
Marcsoltan - Jan 29, 2013 6:59 pm - Voted 10/10
Great Idea!As a member who tries not to read all the entries in the forums, and being an occasional visitor, I think this article is a good idea and it will go a long way to clear up some confusion that many members may have.
Good job Chad. I know you were kidding, but here's your 10x10 anyway.
Marc
mrchad9 - Jan 29, 2013 7:03 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Great Idea!LOL... I was referring to votes on my mountain pages Marc!
Yes, folks such as yourself (who do fantastic work in the real part of the site) were who I was thinking of when I put this together. It's hard to find anything in the forums at this point, much less a summary.
Marcsoltan - Jan 29, 2013 7:52 pm - Voted 10/10
Re: Great Idea!LOL back....I know you were referring to your M&R pages, but I wanted to vote on your article too.
I also know that you had my opinion about the voting system in mind, and I appreciate it.
Liba Kopeckova - Jan 29, 2013 7:47 pm - Voted 10/10
Thanks Chad...I don't usually read forums either. It is nice to read about it in this form. So, how shall I vote on your photos submitted for this article? ha
How about votes which were inherited? e.g. someone adopted a mountain page, example Lizard Head which had a great page by Aaron Johnson, all text was deleted, they got empty page with lots of votes, put little information about it, but not to the previous standard? I guess here the wiki style would be good... Anyway, thanks for keeping us up to date.
mrchad9 - Jan 29, 2013 9:48 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Thanks Chad...Glad it helps Liba. If anyone wastes time voting on those pics... shame on them!
Too late for them to get POTD anyway. :-)
Elves can delete votes if they see an empty page, but I don't really think that situation is a big concern. Usually folks who bother to take pages like that do a pretty good job, so maybe they should keep the votes as an imaginary bonus.
Josh Lewis - Jan 29, 2013 9:29 pm - Voted 8/10
Good Keeping Folks informedMatt and I didn't get to explain about the technical side of what we did. But perhaps that makes it more of a mystery. ;-) It was a pleasure working with Matt. There was once were we both felt very different about the frontpage coloring. I wanted a faint yellow on the sides, while he wanted a powerful yellow. I came up with a compromise color which is what you see now. But had he not stepped in with his more powerful color, it would have looked a bit duller. From my end it very much felt like a collaboration. Matt would only approve of things that he thought worked out which most the time he liked my suggestions. A lot of this styling was made last July when I started styling my pages. I wanted to show SummitPost that it had the possibility of creating a modern look. My styling efforts paid off.
One might ask why gradient colors? Because that's what we see in nature. Things are not usually one solid color. This in turn creates a pleasing result. Thanks Chad for writing the article on this.
P.S. My 8/10 boosts this article. My 8/10 from now on means that I think this is "pretty good" or "great".
mrchad9 - Jan 29, 2013 9:43 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Good Keeping Folks informedNice comment Josh. Also feel free to edit anything in it if you feel an addition or clarification might be needed.
Old School WB - Jan 29, 2013 10:03 pm - Voted 9/10
9 out of 10In keeping with the new paradigm; I only gave this page a 9. I mostly gave this because of the hard work and effort you boyz must have given to this upgrade. I am not a programmer, but I know they charge a lot of money on contracts. All the work must of consumed a lot of time. Thank you. Even though my power took a huge hit, I love this website. Keep up the great work.
Kevin
mrchad9 - Jan 30, 2013 12:01 am - Hasn't voted
Re: 9 out of 10Most everyone's power dropped by about 10-30%, but since it affected everyone there was only small shuffling when compared to others. I suppose we could have just multiplied them all by 20% and then some would go up a little and some down a little, but I figure its the same either way.
Most of the shift is probably due to lower values for images.
I didn't post this for votes. Just the best mechanism I could think of to get these changes in front of people outside the forums. If folks want to vote an article, I'd rather they go hit up Redwic's fine submission on glacier worms!
Glad you like the changes!
Old School WB - Jan 30, 2013 12:55 am - Voted 9/10
Re: 9 out of 10Yeah Man! The article on ice worms rocks! I am going to post a link on some local climbing blogs. I will try to hold back on my habit of giving the article 10 out of 10.
Josh Lewis - Jan 30, 2013 1:22 am - Voted 8/10
Re: 9 out of 10I lost roughly 40% of my power. But no biggie, I'm happy the priorities were shifted in the right direction for where points are assigned. That is way more important. Regarding voting 10's, yeah it's a hard habit to break, I caught myself voting 10's the other day and realized once again that we can vote honestly now.
hansw - Jan 30, 2013 4:34 am - Voted 10/10
Votes 1-5Thanks to all of you working on improving SP.
Just a thought about giving pages in need of improvements votes 1-5. Let say the page gets improved to a high standard. I suspect it will have to live with the low votes for ever since no one keeps track of the votes cast.
mrchad9 - Jan 30, 2013 11:36 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Votes 1-5There is still a feature where you can PM members about a vote. If a page has votes in the 1-5 range, and then a lot of work is done on the page later, then I hope folks feel free to use this feature. I wouldn't consider that vote grabbing.
If someone spruces up a page significantly I would be happy to take another quick look if it was mentioned to me.
Josh Lewis - Jan 30, 2013 5:20 pm - Voted 8/10
Re: Votes 1-5If the above method doesn't work out and you feel as though the vote is out dated, just PM the elves. We'll take care of it.
Redwic - Jan 30, 2013 8:34 am - Voted 10/10
Thanks!I don't care what version SP is, I think you still deserve a 10/10 score for this informative article. I make a habit to not compare/contrast different articles, as each article contains different subject matter. When voting, I personally look at effort and content, first and foremost.
One recommendation I can give to other SP members for the new voting scheme is that if anyone gives a "down-vote" (or lower-than-normal vote) to a page contribution, inform the contributor why the down-vote occurred and what you think would make the page better. That will help contributors, and could possibly improve existing page scores if revisions are made, accordingly.
I appreciate the efforts of you, Josh, and Matt (among others). SPv3 is definitely an upgrade.
mrchad9 - Jan 30, 2013 11:38 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Thanks!Thanks Redwic... but I promise you... you spent more effort on your article than I did on this thing. Beginning to end that was a great read!
yatsek - Jan 31, 2013 7:07 am - Voted 9/10
Very good!But this article lacks one important link.
Also, I think one thing needs correcting. The caption below the "Not a 10!" pic shouldn't read "good page=8" but "Very good page=8"
mrchad9 - Jan 31, 2013 2:25 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Very good!As you wish!
yatsek - Jan 31, 2013 3:49 pm - Voted 9/10
Re: Very good!Wow, amazing! Oops, I said that again.:) As "Wow!Amazing" stands for a 9, I have no choice but to up your grade.
alpinedon - Jan 31, 2013 1:09 pm - Hasn't voted
new LookLooks superb! Thanks to everyone for putting in such a great effort.