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VladimirKopylov - Mar 21, 2010 4:29 am - Hasn't voted

the name "Forbidden Mountains" - is the title of my English version Book.

I would like to Inform You, that the name "Forbidden Mountains" - is the title of my English version Book. This name is registrated and can not be used, connected with any fotos of Mountains, without my written permission.

I would like to ask you to change this title name and never use it again.

And also not to cut any of my photos, if you use it for your text illustration.

With respect,
Vladimir Kopylov


alexclimb - Mar 21, 2010 10:19 am - Hasn't voted

Re: the name

I am really sorry for that dear Vladimir, but the name of this text is just the literal translation of the the original name of the text which is in Russian and is not even identical with the name of your estimated book. And, if you read the text you can see that it is the only caption which reflects its content fully. As for the picture used for SP version of the text, it is just the link to your own post, nothing more, and surely it wasn't edited nor cut, nor stolen from you

Anyway if you are so disturbed the picture is changed to another one

Dave K - Mar 21, 2010 10:43 pm - Hasn't voted

Re: the name

SP Staff Member here.

I support keeping the words "Forbidden Mountains" in the title of this page. Saying "This name is registrated and can not be used, connected with any fotos of Mountains, without my written permission." is waaaay to broad of a statement.

I looked at Vladimir's book and it is titled "Forbidden Mountains: the Most Beautiful Mountains in Russia and Central Asia."

So, Vladimir claims it would apply to basically thousands of mountains, which would be then off limits to be called, generically, "Forbidden." If the book was specific to this mountain or if this was a page about the most beautiful mountains of Russia and Central Asia, then I might have some sympathy. But that's not the situation here.


alexclimb - Mar 21, 2010 10:54 am - Hasn't voted

can anybody answer?

Sorry for that mess, but can anybody answer - is it really so that I can not use the name -Forbidden Mountain- for my article about mountain wich is forbidden for climbing, because the book of Vladimir has the name -Forbidden mountains-?


hansw - Mar 21, 2010 11:44 am - Voted 10/10

Re: can anybody answer?

I guess that this one from 1956 must come into the picture?

Bob Sihler

Bob Sihler - Mar 21, 2010 12:35 pm - Hasn't voted

Re: can anybody answer?

Alex, I of course do not know how Russian copyright laws work, but from an American perspective, I don't think there is anything wrong with the title. The title of either book is not original enough, in my opinion; any mountain closed to the public for any reason can be called a forbidden mountain.

I don't know if Ushba is the subject of Vladimir's book, but if it is, you might consider a small change to the title to be a little safer.

The pictures are another matter. If any of the pictures are not yours and come from other websites, you may be violating SP's copyright policies unless you have permission from the photographers, in which case you should provide the references and state that there is permission granted.

It is not against the SP rules to use other members' pictures on your pages, but it is polite to ask. And if someone wants the picture removed from a page, I think it is a good idea to do that.

In my opinion, you should contact the staff on the site here and ask them about this matter. One of them is a lawyer and may be able to give a better answer. Good luck.


alexclimb - Mar 21, 2010 12:53 pm - Hasn't voted

Re: can anybody answer?

Thank you for this info, Bob! I can say that Russian copyright law should not be considered here as I publish this text in Russia under its original name which translates into English as "Ushba - forbidden mountain". Anyway I am not a lower, hope some person from SP will comment that situation.

As for the pictures I can say that for the text only my own photos were used, but the title one was attached from Vladimir's submissions to the Ushba page, it was not copied nor edited of course


PeterN - Mar 21, 2010 2:07 pm - Voted 10/10

Re: can anybody answer?

Hey Alex,

in Germany and Austria for example identical naming is not allowed if there might be a danger of mixing up different items. This seems to be also true for Russian legislation (Take a look at Article 1252 (6), there might also be some relevant articles under 'avtorskoe pravo' but i've been too lazy to check that)
I am not a lawyer of course but this argumentation seems to be logic to me.
So in your case I'd argue that you are perfectly fine with using "Forbidden Mountain" as you are using it for an article that has nothing to do with a guidebook. Adding to that I agree with Bob that the name is not original enough and has probably been used a lot of times anyways.

Thanks for the text by the way. I agree with you that the current border policy is handled quite stupidly and even facing the current tensions with Georgia it could be solved way smarter ! Most insulting are the obstacles for development those border restrictions represent in the North Caucasus :| There is so much potential for sustainably developing those "small" valleys "tourism wise" and with that support the local communities. Instead of that the border guards are a real pain in the ass, following mountaineers to make sure they don't descend to Georgia and therefore very effectively deter a lot of potential...



RobSC - Mar 21, 2010 11:48 pm - Voted 10/10

Re: can anybody answer?

My understanding, at least under United States copyright law, is that titles cannot be copyrighted.


VladimirKopylov - Mar 26, 2010 3:33 am - Hasn't voted

Mt. Ushba artical, with my photo and name of my book on the front SP page.

Good day SummitPost stuff.

I still want to demonstrate my Protest to this artical about Mt. Ushba - using my photo and name of my book on the title.

The point is, that Mt. Ushba is the subject of my book.
Also the text of the artical seems to me, looking from Russia inside, rather speculative - bla-bla, and too much pothetic.
On the other side, it's obviously conected with comercial sense, that I do not want my name and my photos to be involved.

I defenetly ask You to remove the name of my book from the Title of the artivcal!
Also I defenetly ask You to remove my photo from the title of the artical, when opend main SP web page.

I would be obliged, if you will kindly let me know - how I can remove some of my photos from SP, specially Mt. Ushba ones.
If this is impossible, I would like to ask you to remove all my photos and my name from SP list and pages.

With respect,
Vladimir Kopylov


kamil - Mar 21, 2010 7:05 pm - Voted 10/10


Great job Alex that you bring this problem to an international website like SP. Yeah, politics is shit. It reminds me of the Tatras in the late 40's/early 50's when our climbers were playing cat and mouse with Polish border guards as it was forbidden to climb the peaks on the border with Czechoslovakia. There was even at least one case of the guards shooting at the climbers, luckily no one was hit. Looks like nothing's changed and some people will always remain that stupid and limited.
And your beloved Ushba is one of the mountains that I would really like to climb at some point in my life.


alexclimb - Mar 23, 2010 2:48 am - Hasn't voted

Re: politics...

Thank you for your comment Kamil! You are absolutely right, some people are limited enough to make the restrictions so stupid it is hard to beleieve. Hope the situation will change some day. Good luck, Alex

Tomek Lodowy

Tomek Lodowy - Mar 22, 2010 7:15 pm - Voted 10/10

great article

Everything was said here, great article about great mountain Alex.



alexclimb - Mar 23, 2010 2:50 am - Hasn't voted

Re: great article

Thank you Tomek!


theAxeman - Mar 31, 2010 11:05 am - Voted 10/10

As usual

Alex, over the past few years that I've been aware of you on SP, your contributions to mountaineering, climbing, guiding and sharing your experience, knowledge and photos on this site with everyone has been second to none and it is much appreciated.

Keep up the great work.


alexclimb - Apr 1, 2010 8:37 am - Hasn't voted

Re: As usual

Thank you very much for your comment and kind words! I am always happy to share with SP the best of my work and it is the best reward when people appreciate it. Thank you again and good luck!


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