Re: Oregon hunter murders hiker pretending to be bear
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:58 am
goldenhopper wrote:
Moapa, what do they hunt out there, lizards?
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goldenhopper wrote:
Moapa, what do they hunt out there, lizards?
lcarreau wrote:phlipdascrip wrote:Cascade Scrambler wrote:Why the hell does anyone have to hunt
period. if killing animals gets you off you should be locked away too IMO.
You can BUY animal meat at Costco. It's on the twenty-second aisle back, directly across and to the right of the granola bars and unflavored yogurt.
phlipdascrip wrote:lcarreau wrote:phlipdascrip wrote:Cascade Scrambler wrote:Why the hell does anyone have to hunt
period. if killing animals gets you off you should be locked away too IMO.
You can BUY animal meat at Costco. It's on the twenty-second aisle back, directly across and to the right of the granola bars and unflavored yogurt.
you are pointing out that you don't have to go hunting because you can buy meat in the stores and use that as an argument to justify hunting for fun? if i didn't know better i'd have to call you an idiot.
twoshuzz wrote:phlipdascrip wrote:if killing animals gets you off you should be locked away too IMO.
I also enjoy the hunt, not the kill, but the hunt.
twoshuzz wrote:It's my right; and not one I'm forcing upon you.
goldenhopper wrote:The world would be a better place if we were forced to kill our own meals while simultaneously avoiding the hikers.
I find hunting for pure sport objectionable, but I think that is the huge minority of hunters. Also, To enjoy hunting I don't think it's required the get thrills over it, but rather more about connecting to the natural order of things.
Moapa, what do they hunt out there, lizards?
twoshuzz wrote:Hmmmmm... How is the foolish hunter in questing forcing his right to hunt upon the victim ? By that logic, one could argue the hiker pushing his right to hike upon the hunter. One could further the argument that the hiker had no right to be where he was, infringing upon the hunter's right to hunt. Makes sense, eh ?
Yury wrote:TimB wrote:No excuse for shooting something that you "thought" was a bear, none whatsoever-you don't fire unless you KNOW what you are aiming at.
I should think that the fellow should at least be up on manslaughter charges, negligent homicide, or whatever.
Unfortunatly recent trend is in the opposite direction.
Do you remember a story when Arizona hiker was killed about 5 years ago?
Apparently Arizona updated its law to make killing of hikers even easier: http://www.haroldfishdefense.org.
MigTigman wrote:How many people die from Climbing/Hiking accidents per season?
There have been over 18 climbing/hiker fatalities in YNP alone this year. Compare that to the amount of people that have died nationwide this year from hunting accidents. I can almost guarantee you that there are as many or more people hunting throughout the United States than there are hikers/climbers. Yet the incident rate for hunting is lower percentage wise than for climbers and hikers.
How many people die from Climbing/Hiking accidents per season?
There have been over 18 climbing/hiker fatalities in YNP alone this year. Compare that to the amount of people that have died nationwide this year from hunting accidents. I can almost guarantee you that there are as many or more people hunting throughout the United States than there are hikers/climbers. Yet the incident rate for hunting is lower percentage wise than for climbers and hikers.
Mandatory Hunter Safety Courses Nationwide can be attributed to the incredible safety record that the American Hunting Community has enjoyed for over the past 100 years or so. Yes there have been a few fatalities over the years, but no where near the fatality/incident rate that has plagued the Hiker/Climbing Community in the past decade or so. Something that should be considered when raising this or any other hunting accident issue.
Maybe the Hiker/Climber Community should seriously consider implementing a mandatory safety education program similar to the Hunters.
MigTigman wrote:How many people die from Climbing/Hiking accidents per season?...
This does not excuse the incident but it is something to think about.
Yury wrote:TimB wrote:No excuse for shooting something that you "thought" was a bear, none whatsoever-you don't fire unless you KNOW what you are aiming at.
I should think that the fellow should at least be up on manslaughter charges, negligent homicide, or whatever.
Unfortunatly recent trend is in the opposite direction.
Do you remember a story when Arizona hiker was killed about 5 years ago?
Apparently Arizona updated its law to make killing of hikers even easier: http://www.haroldfishdefense.org.
fatdad wrote:MigTigman wrote:How many people die from Climbing/Hiking accidents per season?...
This does not excuse the incident but it is something to think about.
If climbers and hikers fell on innocent bystanders, killing them but walking away unscathed themselves, then that argument might carry some weight. Until that actually starts happening, this argument carries absolutely no weight.