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TomSellick wrote:This is like asking whether or not Pluto is a planet. It is what it is - we (people) give it a name.

yatsek wrote:Yep, I'd just add some first hike, then scramble, then climb, then scramble/hike/spend lots of time enjoying SP… This is the world we live in, which would be much worse without SP.

knoback wrote:Precisely. That's what I like about this site. Most of the route pages are honest attempts to give out good beta, not spray or sandbag. Look at some of the route descriptions on Mountain Proj. for comparison. For most of them, when you're done reading you won't have a clear understanding of what you're in for much less be inspired to go climb the route.
Then look at, for example, some of Dow Williams' route pages. World of difference.
Nobody is trying to be elitist when they start talking about numbers, just more precise.
You get alot of negativity from climbers when, as a non-climber, you look like you are telling them that you understand what climbing is all about and furthermore can offer them some advice about their damn attitude.
I get that you are simply objecting to anyone being excluded, but it it smells of judgement to the climbers out there; something of a sore spot since everyone from mom to TV pundits has used it from the start to say that climbing (as opposed to hiking) is a silly, dangerous thing that responsible adults wouldn't do.

knoback wrote:….Precisely. That's what I like about this site. Most of the route pages are honest attempts to give out good beta, not spray or sandbag. Look at some of the route descriptions on Mountain Proj. for comparison…..

taxinvestor wrote:Here is an equation you may use to determine if you are a climber or hiker:
Feet only (FO)
Hands and feet (HF)
Time (T)

If (T * FO > T * HF), HIKER
otherwise
If (T * HF > T * FO), CLIMBER

squishy wrote:

MarthaP wrote:

squishy wrote:I have trouble explaining my trips now...Well we slept on the side of the road in the dirt, got up early and had a world class breakfast at a gas station then climbed a mountain via class 2.4r...most people would stare at me and wonder what kind of retardation I had...because everyone knows you can't get a world class breakfast at a gas station...duh....

Hot dogs 2/$1 slathered in yellow mustard are pretty world class to me. Add some relish and you have your four basic food groups.

Actually this is the menu at the gas station I was speaking about...I recommend the Lobster Taquitos with some mango margaritas...in the morning they will even put some whisky in your coffee...

Tioga Toomey’s House Favorites

World Famous Fish Tacos
One with ginger coleslaw, one with mango/pineapple/plum salsa
Served with Brazilian black beans

Signature Chicken Caesar Salad Wrap
Tons of flavor wrapped in a chipotle tortilla

Grilled Salmon Salad
Served on a bed of baby lettuce with mountain honey/wild berry vinaigrette dressing

Wild Buffalo Meatloaf
Extra lean, prepared cowboy style with port wine au jus, garlic mashed potatoes and fresh vegetables

Kansas City Steak Caesar Salad
Marinated skirt steak on our tangy caesar salad

Rajin’ Cajun Chicken Jambalaya
Served with fresh bread, it’s a meal in itself, not to spicy

Legendary Lobster Taquitos
Three taquitos served on a bed of Brazilian black beans topped with tomatillo pineapple salsa and fresh salsa

Herb Crusted Grilled Pork Tenderloin
Served with apricot wild berry glaze, garlic mashed potatoes and fresh vegetables

St. Louis Style Baby Back Ribs
Served with our own huckleberry BBQ sauce, garlic mashed potatoes and fresh vegetables

Pizza
World Famous BBQ Chicken with cilantro pesto
Grilled Veggie with pesto
Southwest Black Bean Chicken

http://www.whoanelliedeli.com/

MoapaPk wrote:

TomSellick wrote:This is like asking whether or not Pluto is a planet. It is what it is - we (people) give it a name.

Pluto is Goofy's dog, everyone knows that.

MoapaPk wrote:Pluto is Goofy's dog, everyone knows that.

taxinvestor wrote:Here is an equation you may use to determine if you are a climber or hiker:

Feet only (FO)
Hands and feet (HF)
Time (T)

If (T * FO > T * HF), HIKER

otherwise

If (T * HF > T * FO), CLIMBER

thoth wrote:

Mark Doiron wrote:

MoapaPk wrote:

TomSellick wrote:This is like asking whether or not Pluto is a planet. It is what it is - we (people) give it a name.

Pluto is Goofy's dog, everyone knows that.

But Pluto is also a planet. At least in my universe, the IAU be damned. And this particular planet has a moon: Charon. And, here in Oklahoma we have a place named after the same mythological character as that moon: Charon's Garden. It has plenty of great hiking and climbing. And lots of "in between" stuff where it's difficult to determine whether you were hiking or climbing. It probably depends on the skill of the person: The greater that skill, the less use of hands, therefore the more he/she is inclined to call it a hike. But, at the end of the day, the only thing that really mattered was getting to the top. That's where the fun is. The rest is just meaningless semantics.

--mark d.

It is a Kuiper Belt object, sorry, it is just left over junk.

butitsadryheat wrote:

Lolli wrote::wink: biadh.

If one is secure in one's role, and have chosen one way or another for the moment, what does it matter what and how others choose to do?

It is amusing.

True. Thanks for reminding me. Sometimes it is forgotten when others don't see it that way.

Cheers. Hope your trip out here in October is enjoyable and memorable. Wave to me while you are speeding past Bakersfield!

Lolli wrote:

justing wrote:Something I've always wondered...what the hell is trekking and how does it differ from hiking? To me it sounds like the name for hiking to hikers who want to sound like they're doing something cooler than hiking. At least they know they're not climbing I guess.

Trek = British English
Hike = American English

same thing.

Day Hiker wrote:

taxinvestor wrote:Here is an equation you may use to determine if you are a climber or hiker:

Feet only (FO)
Hands and feet (HF)
Time (T)

If (T * FO > T * HF), HIKER

otherwise

If (T * HF > T * FO), CLIMBER

Grand Teton is just a hike then, unless you climb slow or hike fast.