Fig 8 does not have a lip on both sides. It has the exact same bottom orientation as the EDK on how it presents itself to the rock. It is why it sticks upright like the EDK. Not sure what you are smoking to believe otherwise, tie the DAMNED THING and take a look.
I have, which why I am asking. I want to see a photo/diagram of how you can pull one over a corner without the knot touching a corner. Please take a photo or draw us a diagram and show us how this is possible. If you are right, I only want to see it, not to argue about it.
(PS, I agree that you should tie in with a Figure 8, so you don't need to expand on that).
I don't even think there is anything dangerous with using a figure 8 either.
The original question was as follows:
What is everyone's favorite rap knot?...and my response, with explanation was:
DK always. If you pull the knot over a corner, the knot turns and always faces out, thus no extra wear on the rope. It's the least likely knot to snag as well.This is partly because the majority of the technical stuff I do is on sandstone, which is incredible rough on ropes. I am not a world class climber by any means, but was just answering the question of what my favorite was and why.
Sandstone tends to have lots of edges:
This is true not only climbing, but even more so when canyoneering. Both are really rough on ropes if you are in sandstone. A climbing rope (dynamic) is especially easy to coreshot. Sandstone and anything edgy and in layers also can snag ropes.
So, the EDK is
my favorite rappel knot because it can be pulled over an edge without the knot touching the edge and as far as I know, it is the least likely to snag.
You say that the
"fig 8 does the exact same" , so I only asked how this is possible. How can you pull a figure 8 knot over a corner and not have the knot touch the wall? You still haven't explained how this is possible (maybe it is, but we need to see what you are talking about). Why not provide a photograph or diagram? It would take you all of less than a minute or two including tying the knot, taking the photograph, and posting it to SP.