Camped just up the trail from the parking area with my 15 year old son Dan. We saw many cars leaving as we were coming in so we expected this to be a very busy place. (I had climbed the mountain many years before on the 4th of July and was the only person there). Pleasent surprise! We saw only 1 other person. Only a little snow near the top (mild winter). Dan and I ran through the scree all the way down from the summit ridge to the canyon bottom. Great fun for me. Dan's first "real" mountian.