1. Technical Problems / Troubleshooting
1.1 What language should I use for my submissions?
1.2 Why cant I log in?
1.3 How are cookies used on SummitPost?
1.4 What format should I use for the topo coordinates?2. Features
2.1 What will I find on my profile page?
2.2 How are hits counted?
2.3 What are power points?
2.4 What are votes?
2.5 Suggested Voting Guidelines
2.6 How is page score calculated?
2.7 How is SummitPost organized?
2.8 What are comments and who sees them?
2.9 What are logs and how do I add one?
2.10 Who are the elves and what do they do?
2.11 How is the Photo of the Week chosen?
2.12 How are the featured items on the front page chosen?
2.13 How can I transfer page ownership?
2.14 What about "Whats New"?
2.15 How can I search the site?
2.16 Can I copy information from a book or someone elses web site onto my page on SummitPost?
2.17 Can I submit photos to SummitPost that I didnt take myself?
2.18 If I submit my photos or writing to SummitPost, am I giving up my copyright to them?
2.19 Where can I find out more about how copyright laws work?
2.20 What should I do if I notice an improper submission?
2.21 What should I do if I see a page of poor quality?
2.22 Whats in the forum?3. Contributing to SummitPost
3.1 What can I submit to SummitPost?
3.2 Can I submit a page for an object if a page already exists for it?
3.3 How Does Contribution Work on SP?
3.4 How do I submit an Area, Range, Mountain, or Route to SummitPost?
3.5 What is a primary image?
3.6 What is a query name?
3.7 How do I submit a trip report to SummitPost?
3.8 How do I submit an article to SummitPost?
3.9 How do I submit photos to SummitPost?
3.10 How does Attach/Detach work?
3.11 What is
Plans & Partners?
3.12 How should I manage page maintenance?
3.13 How do privileges work?4. Legal Stuff
4.1 Posting Guidelines
4.1.1 Posting On SummitPost
4.1.2 AVATARS (Aliases, False IDs)
4.1.3 Commercial Advertising4.2 Copyright Policy
4.3 Copyrights for Multiple Page Authors5. Some Basic HTML
5.1 Simple Text Emphasizing
5.2 Text Structuring
5.4 Symbols in HTML
5.5 Including pictures in your page text5.5.1 The standard way: The image dialog
5.5.2 The custom way: HTML5.6 Image Maps
5.7 Slidable Panoramas
5.8 Further info about HTML
We prefer all submissions to be in English, including reports, logs, comments, and photo captions.
Excellent spelling and grammar are strongly encouraged. Keep in mind that long paragraphs are hard to read and submissions in one large block of text cannot be considered for Home Page display. Submissions with inappropriate material or incorrect use of the medium cannot be considered and may be deleted.
Make sure that cookies are enabled on your browser. To see how to enable cookies, click here.
SummitPost requires coordinates in decimal degree notation (dd.dddd), not DMS (dd° mm' ss.sss'') or UTM. Be sure to recalculate the coordinates into dd.dddd format. A decimal point (.) is required. Commas are deleted and result in incorrect coordinates. Members in the western hemisphere must use negative longitudes. Here are two examples:
Recalculate the DMS-data (dd° mm' ss.sss'') with the following formula only mm and ss have to be recalculated):
dddd = (mm / 60) + (ss.sss / 3600).
Do not truncate the decimal part to less than three digits, as each ten thousandth of a degree equals about 11 m (36 ft).
As soon as you are registered, you'll get a profile page on which you can specify personal data such as gender, age, mail address and so on. You can include a biography to let people know who you are, and there's a space to include a user image. Besides personal data, the profile page is used to keep a history of your activities on SummitPost, including
Hit-counts depend on the object they are counted for:
Power points are used as an incentive for members and awarded according to
the number and quality of their submissions. Mountains, Areas & Ranges, and Articles are awarded the most power points, followed by Routes and Trip Reports, Albums, and Photos. Posting comments will earn you a small amount of points as well. The quality is measured by the number and nature of the votes that the specific submission accumulated. Point levels are updated daily.
Power points really come into play when page score is calculated. Votes from new users with zero power points are not heavily weighed. Meanwhile, votes from valued contributors to SummitPost will figure significantly in the score calculation. As your contributions to SummitPost, and thus your points, increase, the value of your votes, new and old, will count more, even retroactively.
You can use votes to show your appreciation of another member's work. Votes are recorded with the voter's user name which is visible to all users. PLEASE NOTE: When voting on routes, be sure to judge the route's quality rather than the page itself. (See next section) Maintainers of any object are currently not notified about votes on their material that are cast by members on their profile page. This may be changed in the future.
Vengeful voting, that is, casting negative votes for illegitimate reasons, is not allowed. Feel free to vote honestly; there is no need to worry that honest votes will be considered vengeful. It's usually easy to tell the difference. In other words, don't be a jerk.
As requested by a number of members, these guidelines have been composed in an attempt to assist members in their voting activities. This section provides suggested criteria that should be considered when casting a vote on any SP object. These are only suggestions and in no way should be considered a mandatory directive from the SP staff.
Voting on most SP Objects
Voting on Route Pages
Voting on Photos
No attempt will be made to instruct or direct how people should rate photos or any other object on SP, but please consider the following when casting your vote:
Page Score is not just a simple average of the votes on a page. Page Score is derived from the votes, but the number of votes and the power of the voter is strongly considered.
Votes from new users with zero power points are not heavily weighed. Meanwhile, votes from valued contributors to SummitPost will figure significantly in the score calculation. A page requires several votes from
high-powered users before it can be considered "good." As your contributions to SummitPost, and thus your points, increase, the value of your votes, new and old, will count more, even retroactively.
Finally, in order to determine the most accurate page scores, abnormally high and low votes are discarded.
What really distinguishes SummitPost from other community pages is our insistence on trusting the users to build the best possible site. The organization of the site is defined by individuals -- without an overarching plan for things. By voting and contributing, you are working to create a site that is the best it can be. By attaching your pages to other pages, you create connections between the various sections of the site, and a complex, more useful taxonomy emerges from that.
You can add a comment to almost anything on SummitPost. For most sections of SummitPost, you can access the comments page by clicking the "Comments" link in the left sidebar. You'll see a list of all prior comments and a link to reply to any comment. To add a new comment, use the fields at the end of the list.
To add a comment to a photo, use the "Post Comment" link on the photo's main page (upper right).
When you add a comment to a page, the original submitter will be notified of each comment on his profile page. Any member who views the corresponding page will be able to see your comment (and post a comment of his own).
Logs allow you an opportunity to say "I climbed this." To add a log, click "Climbers Log" on the corresponding Mountain page. Logs are brief messages. If you plan on creating a detailed entry, consider submitting a trip report.
Members of the SummitPost staff are called elves. All of them are experienced SummitPost members and they perform most of the maintenance on this site. Their task is to change or delete mountain pages, track down and
fix html errors, track down and delete trolls and avatars and much more. The elves also moderate the forums but prefer, like their namesakes, to keep a low profile.
What about Photo of the Day and Photo of the Hour?
Each of these featured photos is chosen by a computer algorithm that has no elf (or human) intervention. It is based on the number of votes received over a given time period along with some other criteria.
The featured items which are displayed on the front page are chosen by
the SummitPost staff on a weekly schedule. One of the elves has the weekly task of reading all new submissions. He chooses the most interesting ones to be displayed on the front page. These duties are rotated through the staff. Proper grammar and spelling are strongly encouraged. Large paragraphs are hard to read and will disqualify the object from consideration for Home Page display. Short reports with little detail cannot be considered.
When a member submits a mountain, that member is entrusted with the
responsibility of creating a high-quality mountain page and to periodically integrate the additions/corrections of other people into the main text. In theory, this should result in a constantly improving page. However, sometimes the original submitter cannot (or chooses not to) fulfill these responsibilities.
In this case, maintainers can transfer their pages to other members. Maybe you got tired of the same old mountain, or maybe you have too many pages to maintain. Perhaps there's somebody who just plain knows the mountain better than you do. Use the Change Privileges link to transfer ownership to another member. You need to know the user name of the member receiving transfer. Click "Attach / Detach", search for the user name and give him/her admin rights. Then search for your own name and change your user rights to "none".
If a page is transferred to a new owner, the new owner receives the power points for that page.
All contributors (original submitter, former maintainers, etc) are given
credit for their work on the mountain's "Contributors" page (to get there, click on the "View all Contributors" link near the top of the mountain page).
See also Privileges.
There is a page on SummitPost called "What's New?" which displays the latest submissions to SummitPost. The page is updated every 5 minutes. The following categories are listed:
Sections of the site are arranged by category. There are pages for Areas & Ranges, Mountains & Rocks, Routes, Trip Reports, Articles, Photos, People, Partners, and What's New. To obtain the best result, you can choose a category using the "Sort By" pull-down Menus.
For a tutorial on using SP's powerful Search Tool, go here. Alternately, use the Search Box at the top right of each page for a full text search through all SummitPost pages. Be sure to specify your parameter (objects, forums, images, people, partners)
Not without their permission. Doing so otherwise would violate copyright law. SummitPost takes copyrights very seriously. Posting material in violation of copyright law may be grounds for deletion of your submission and of your user account. Also, the copyright holder may prosecute you in
It is OK to post works whose copyright has expired, or works that are not subject to copyright (such as works by the US Federal Government), or works which you have obtained the author's permission to post (be sure to state this in your text).
Take time to review SummitPost's Terms of Service.
Not without the permission of the person who took the photo. Doing so otherwise would violate copyright law. SummitPost takes copyrights seriously. Posting material in violation of copyright law may be grounds for deletion of your submission and of your user account. Also, the copyright holder may prosecute you in court.
It is OK to post images whose copyright has expired, or images that are
not subject to copyright (such as images made by the US Federal Government), or images which you have obtained the photographer's permission to post (be sure to state this in your caption text).
Take time to review SummitPost's Terms of Service.
No. You are authorizing SummitPost to display them on the SummitPost website, but posting to SummitPost does NOT give anyone permission to copy your works from SummitPost. Note, however that you are giving up the right to prevent modifications of your work: you are agreeing to SummitPost's policy of maintaining the site. You are giving the maintainer of a SummitPost page a license to make changes to your text as he/she sees fit, and to move your photos from one section of the page to another. You agree that someone else may someday become the maintainer of page(s) you create.
SummitPost is a collaborative project, and pages are frequently the responsibility of more than one user. By granting permissions to another user, you allow that user to alter your text and images.
Take time to review SummitPost's Terms of Service.
Since this site is hosted in the US, a good place to start is the US Copyright Office. Note that laws in most other countries are similar but not identical. Another very good source on copyright protection is whatiscopyright.org.
If you notice a submission that is bogus, erroneous, or infringes on a copyright, please let us know. Alert us to any submissions that are pornographic, obviously prejudiced, unfairly biased, hateful, insulting or vengeful.
The best means to let us know is to post in the Bogus Entries thread of the forum. Include the id of the object (mountain_id, photo_id, etc) or some other identifying info, along with a URL for the offending page. Also include a short explanation of why you think the object should be deleted.
If an existing page is of poor quality, and is a page that is required to be unique (e.g., a mountain page) then there are several steps you should take (in this order):
Such communications are best handled privately, via SP's Personal Message Feature (PM), SP's email access on your Profile Page, or your own email system. Obviously PMs shouldn't be used for suspected inactive members - they won't be getting PMs if they don't log on to SP - use email instead.
To paraphrase Morpheus in The Matrix, no one can be told what the forum is. You have to see it for yourself. So check it out.
Often, SummitPost uses the forum to solicit ideas from its members. You'll see threads for reporting bugs and suggestions and threads
where you can nominate features for front page display.
Make use of the forum, it is one of the great things that makes SummitPost a community, but remember these rules. The following will not be tolerated on the SummitPost forums:
We reserve the right to remove offensive posts without notice.
SummitPost reserves the right to take any actions we deem appropriate to ensure these forums are not disrupted or abused in any way.
If you notice a post that you consider inappropriate, you can flag it as such. Flagged posts will be reviewed by the elves and may be deleted.
Besides photos, there are several categories of content at SummitPost. You
can create pages for Areas & Ranges, Mountains & Rocks, and Routes. You are also welcome to submit photos, trip reports, and articles.
SummitPost's policy is to encourage one and only one page on a particular real world object. For example, there should only be one "Mount Shasta" page, one "West Ridge Trailhead" page, and one "Durrance Route" page. There can, however, be multiple pages for things that do not represent real world objects (e.g., a "Crevasse Jumping" Album).
However, see also What should I do if I see a page of poor quality?
On most pages of SummitPost, you will see the following links in the left sidebar under "Contribute": Add Mountain/Rock; Add Image; Add Trip Report; Add Album. Additional links will appear with each option: Create New & Attach Existing. Click on the appropriate one and follow the prompts. For an example, on a mountain page, you'll see links to "Add Route," "Add Image," "Add Trip Report," and "Add Album." Clicking any of these links will allow you to add a new item that will be automatically linked to the page from which you started. So, if you have a trip report for Devil's Tower, you can contribute it by clicking "Add Trip Report" from the Devil's Tower page.
At the top of your screen are four links, one of which is next to your name: "Create Page." Use this option to create a new object, which you will specify on the next page before proceeding with your submission.
It is highly recommended that you are prepared before proceeding with your contribution. This means you have done your research and have your text already composed somewhere in your own computer. It means you have have a selection of photos on your computer, ready to be submitted, and they are of reasonable quality. Some of these photos should include visual information concerning specifics on the route you executed in climbing the mountain, rock, etc. Refer to the next section.
You must be a SummitPost member to contribute.
You must be a SummitPost member to submit material. Registration is free and requires just a few pieces of information. Access the registration page by clicking "Register" here.
Decide what you'd like to post. Keep in mind that you won't just be submitting, you're also making an extended commitment to maintain the page. Choose a topic you love. Optimally, you should choose an area you've visited, where you've attempted a climb, or ideally, where you visit and climb often. Make sure to take a look at some other pages
to get an idea of the style and requirements of existing pages.
You can create a page using the "Create Page" link located just above the SummitPost logo. When prompted, choose the appropriate object type. Continuing yields the initial submission/edit page, where you'll see several fields, though the only required fields at this stage are Name and Query Name. All other information can (and should) be completed after the initial submission. It is during this initial submission phase that it pays to be "prepared."
Don't forget to proofread and run a spell-check on your material inyour own computer first.
For detailed specifics and recommended guidelines on this subject, see Recommendations for Adding and Maintaining Material on SummitPost.
In the interest of achieving a good rating on your submission from your SP peers, suggested minimum requirements for mountains and routes consist of the following:
The primary image will appear at the top of the page. Choose a photo that best represents your topic. If you do not choose a primary image, and there are images attached to your object, the system will choose a primary image for you nightly (based on image scores). You will need to know the photo ID number, which can be determined by clicking on the photo and reading the URL in your browser destination window, or hovering your cursor over the thumbnail of the photo.
The query name is used to keep the ordering correct for names.
For example: if a mountain's name is Mount Zester and another mountain is named Mount Abraham, ideally Mount Zester would show up alphabetically with the "Z" words and Mount Abraham would show up with the "A" words.
However, if the query names are listed as "Mount Zester" and "Mount Abraham" then they will both show up with the "M" words.
To prevent this, the query name for Mount Zester should be "Zester, Mount" and the query name for Mount Abraham should be "Abraham, Mount."
There are two ways to initiate a trip report submission. Trip reports can be submitted through the same process as mountain pages. Select "Trip Report" from the object type pulldown.
If you want to automatically link your trip report to a particular mountain, click the trip report link under "Contribute" on the left sidebar on the appropriate mountain/object page.
When submitting trip reports, keep in mind that shorter paragraphs are easier to read, so format your text accordingly. Large blocks of text are strongly discouraged.
Be sure to include plenty of pictures to go along with your story.
Articles can be submitted through the same process as mountain pages. Simply select "Article" from the object type pulldown.
Articles are easier to read when they're formatted with short paragraphs. Large blocks of text are strongly discouraged.
Articles are best when accompanied by pictures, so include some!
The article entry page has a field for "tags." Tags are like keywords, and help SummitPost and its users know when different pages have something in common. Be sure to include several tags.
To submit a photo, select "Add Image" from the menu on the left sidebar of the corresponding mountain page. That is, if you are adding an image of Devil's Tower, you should do so from the menu on the Devil's Tower page. If your image is linked to a route, choose the appropriate route page.
You can also click "Create Page" at the link just above the SummitPost logo. When prompted to "Select object type," choose "Image" and continue.
When prompted, enter the required content, including a name for the image, a query name (which preserves correct alphabetical sorting), and other pertinent details.
There is a field for "tags." Tags are like keywords, and help SummitPost and its users know when different pages and images have something in common. Be sure to include several tags for your image.
To upload the image from your computer, click "Browse," then find the file on your machine.
Though all fields are not required, the more information you can enter, the more helpful your listing will be. You are encouraged to add a descriptive caption to your image. SP members often vote on a photo's quality by also judging the informational content of the caption.
Click "Submit Object" to complete the process.
JPEGs, GIFs, and PNGs of any dimension are accepted, but they must be less than 8mb in file size.
The following guidline may help you when considering file size parameters.
If the original dimensions are smaller than any particular size level above, the photo will not be resized to that level (i.e., the system does not "expand" photos).
As the administrator of a page, you have the ability to attach and detach related pages to it. If your page falls under a specific category, you may attach that page as a parent. You can use this feature to attach routes, images, and trip reports from all over SummitPost. Because SummitPost is a collaborative community, you are encouraged to attach submissions from other users, not just your own.
Click the Attach/Detach link. Search for the page or object you like via the search field, type in the name or title of the item, specify the other parameters and click "Find Pbjects." Choices will be presented to you. Specify how they should be attached: As Parent, Child or Related. Click the "Attach Objects" button. You'll see the new item included on your main page.
You can submit an object and attach it to anyone's page. However, that page owner has the choice either to remove it or to leave it.
You can view new attachments to your objects on your profile page.
Be advised that if your submission receives a very low score, it will be automatically detached from any other pages. Any submissions deemed
inappropriate by the elves (porn, spam, etc.) will be deleted entirely.
The partners section is SP's newest feature. Meet and climb with other SP members, or post your plans, whether you need a partner or not, to show the membership what you're climbing.
High traffic mountains are bound to be high traffic pages at SummitPost
Events such as falls, avalanches, (even weddings!) should be featured on your page, even if only temporarily. Stay alert about events and report them as needed. Consider this when choosing the mountain you want to submit.
A low-profile mountain is easier to maintain, while a popular mountain can keep you busy.
Be sure to visit your page(s) on a routine basis. Users frequently submit additional info to pages, and you'll need to check these notices and decide whether to incorporate them into your text. These added comments will also appear on your profile page in parenthesis.
The submitter of any additions or corrections is automatically included on the Contributors list, but for significant additions, be sure to credit the submitter in your text.
Remember, neglected pages may end up offered for adoption and transferred to other members by the SP staff as appropriate.
Sometimes maintaining a page requires the work of more than one person.
Upon creation, all pages start out as private, and only the creator has administrative privileges. However, the editor of a page can grant privileges to other users that enable them to assist in the page maintenance. Granting a user edit privileges will allow them to make changes to the body of the page. Granting a user administrative privileges allows them to edit the page, and to add other users as editors and administrators.
If desired, pages can also be made public. Anyone can edit a public page.
Finally, certain pages (mountains, routes, areas & ranges) are always "open for attachment" for everyone to attach and detach
their own objects to and from.
If you think your post is over the top, it probably is. Your post may be deleted if it is pornographic, hateful, insulting or vengeful. Similarly, Private Messages should not be sent to other users in order to berate them. You may or may not receive a warning before being banned, depending on the severity of the post and your length of membership.
Posts to the message boards should be made in their related forum. Incorrectly located posts will be moved or deleted by the staff upon discovery or notification. Items unrelated to climbing should be posted in 'Prate & Prattle' found at the bottom of the forum list. Be warned that most of the threads posted there are unsupervised and they frequently devolve into flame wars. For good reasons it has earned the title of SP's septic tank. You should have a thick skin to participate there on a regular basis.
The staff can identify IP addresses of users. We will not tolerate users who use false IDs to
Commercial advertisements are not welcome on SummitPost and are deleted quickly. This includes guiding services and other climbing-related enterprises. Recommendation and/or listing of available guide services on a mountain page does not necessarily constitute commercial advertisement. If you stand to make money from someone acting on your post, it is probably going to be deleted.
No copyrighted material may be uploaded to SummitPost without the permission of the copyright owner. This includes images, text, and all other types of intellectual property. SummitPost members are responsible for obtaining the necessary permission before posting any copyrighted material. If permission is granted by the copyright owner, the SummitPost member must credit the owner with a link or some other appropriate type of reference.
SummitPost respects intellectual property rights and is committed to removing unauthorized material when it is discovered. If you believe that any of your work has been copied in a way that constitutes copyright
infringement, please provide the SummitPost webmaster and the infringing SummitPost member with the following information:
By submitting to SummitPost you authorize future edits of your text by other users.
When you contribute corrections and/or additions to an existing page, whether in comments or as a page maintainer, you hold the copyright to your own work. By contributing it, you grant permission to the page maintainer (and future maintainers) to incorporate the work into his or her page, and to make changes to any text you have contributed. Otherwise, you retain your copyright - you are free to republish your own works elsewhere, and you have the right to prevent others from copying them.
Because facts, ideas, and short phrases cannot be copyrighted, in many cases the page maintainer will have an unencumbered copyright to the SP page's text, even though others have contributed facts and ideas. However, if the page uses copyrightable material from contributions (including from previous maintainers), then it is likely that no single person will hold a copyright on the whole page.
Copyright law varies from country to country, and legal results may depend on specific factual circumstances including factors not described here. If copyright issues concern you, do more research to learn all you can about how these issues might apply to your situation before submitting material to SP or any other web site.
HTML is the language that tells your browser how to format and display Text,
Tables, Lists etc.
You can enter these tags on your pages to make the text more readable
through emphasizing and structuring. All HTML tags stand in pointy brackets '< >' and come in pairs: begin and end. Below are some simple and some more advanced HTML tags (the blue color is only for better readability) and how you can enter them on your page.
|Bold Font: Summit||Summit|
|Italic Font: Summit||Summit|
|Font Size: Summit||Summit #size between 1-7|
When editing be sure to check out the "Bold" and "Italics" Buttons above the sections. Mark the text and press one of the buttons. You'll see that text emphasizing will be done for you.
Lists and tables can be included easily in your HTML pages. Be sure to delete any linebreaks (returns). Otherwise SummitPost will come up with huge empty spaces in your section. Alternatively you can place the and in front of and behind the html-code.
Hyperlinks are the underlined words that make your browser jump to a new page when you click them. These are especially convenient when you want to point to other websites like a hut, a webcam, a bookshop, a source of a picture you got from the web, etc. because the reader can continue there with one simple click.
When editing be sure to check out the "Insert Link" button above the sections. Mark the text and press one of the buttons. You'll see that the hyperlink will be inserted for you. You simply have to change the URL.
Several special characters are used for HTML formatting. In order to display them (in comments or forums posts) you need to transcribe them. Here is a short list of the most commonly used symbols
|more of this ...||Web Source HTML Symbol Table|
Use this feature with moderation! The more large pictures you display on your page the longer it takes to build. Remember that many members have to dial up using a modem!
Each image - like any other object on SP - has a unique number. This number is displayed in the url of the picture page and can be used for including the photo somewhere on your page.
When editing your page the text is divided into sections. Immediately above these sections you will find a button called "Insert Image". Choose this and a little dialog will appear in which you can choose size, orientation and caption of your image. Also, there is a simple search dialog, which helps you find the number of your image. Only the names of the pictures are searched. As to the standard SP photo sizes compare chapter 3.9.
In case the built in functionality is not satisfactory - for instance if you don't want frames around the images or if you want "mouse-overs" or larger than mediom pictures - you always can use the standard HTML-commands to embed your pictures. The commands are actually more complicated and you must choose the right extension (*.JPG or *.jpg - depending on how the image was called when submitting it to SP). The following table shows several examples. Note that the first three only display the images while the last three have additional functionality like links and "mouse-overs".
Now it gets more complicated. You can use pictures with annotations and further links on your pages. This is extremely helpful when considering maps. The code for such an interactive map looks like this:
To find out about how image maps work, copy the code into one of your sections and start changing names, links and coordinates. You'll soon get the knack...
This is the result of the above example (as you hover the mouse over the numbers you will see the tooltips - clicking on the numbers will lead you to the respective sections on the Silvretta page:
Consider having stitched several shots into a panorama. Now you want to post this to your page but the original size of the pano is so wide that it get wider than the average screen size. Consequently the text of your page gets widened as well and you need to scroll back and forth, left and right, to read it. There is an easy way to define a space on your page in which the panorama gets scrolled and thus leaving the page width unhampered with.
For perfect viewing on most computers your panorama should obey the following prerequisites: