Well it has taken a Scot's man, an English man, a Welsh man and a Dutch man (which sounds like the start of a bad joke!) to create it, so I think we can call it a bit of both.
Cheers
Dan
BUT - as owner of some very long pages I have to tell you that you guys will run into big performance issues again and again. Moreover - just as a warning - when we switched from SPv1 to v2, the long pages got currupted since the standard size for the transfer had been limited to 100kb. This page is almost 500kB...
Which is why I'm (slowly) picking apart the Stubai, Ötztal, Marmolada Group pages.
Hi Gangolf, thanks for the info. We have noticed some performance issues, which is why we actually reduced the size of the page a bit before finalising it. If you can believe that! Also, I'm always slightly wary that something may go wrong with the site or a particular page, so I keep a copy of the source code for each new page I create, which I update whenever I make big changes. I have done the same for this one. Does this mean there are plans to move SP to a new version?
Cheers
Dan
No new version planned - I don't think there'll be a change in the next two years but who knows? My point actually is that people won't read a long page anyway and it is better to have the real info where it belongs.
Route info -> route page
Mountain info -> mountain page
Subgroup info -> subgroup page
Group info -> group page
So the group page should have only the overview information, and so on. If I wanted to visit Cairngorm I'd look up the page, then look up the area around it to see where else I could go. Finally I'd like to get the greater context...
If I only knew I wanted to go to Scotland I'd go to this page here. There I'd expect the overview, where I could find which mountains and the general characteristics of the ranges. I'd look up which mountains are in which range and I finally would decide. E.g. I'd decide for Cairngorm and look up this page to find the detailed info.
But that's only how I would search - others might do it differently...
I agree, I don't think this page contains anything more than general information; there are no route descriptions or detailed information on individual mountains for example. I think it's big because the area is big. To be honest I don't think people will read the page the whole way through, I certainly have never read a guidebook from cover to cover as I would an ordinary book, and I don't expect people to do so here. If they are looking for some information about the area in general though, I hope that this page contains the information they might be looking for.
What we had noticed was that lots of mountain pages for this area had no parent page, and were therefore difficult to relate spatially to other mountains in Scotland, particularly as many of the lat/long coordinates entered for pages were, and still are, wrong. We designed this page to tie them together. In the future, we hope more area/range pages will be created, and they would be attached to this page also, thus creating a more complete system which you might use. Personally I work the other way around, looking at the general information first and then focusing my research based on the information I find there.
flow - Apr 15, 2009 3:37 pm - Voted 10/10
wow!that's a new league of information.
great page!
Nanuls - Apr 16, 2009 10:41 am - Hasn't voted
Re: wow!Thanks flow, it was a lot of work even for four people, but well worth it I think.
RenatoG - Apr 15, 2009 4:15 pm - Voted 10/10
Great work!Outstanding page! Sure the greatest resource on Grampian Mountains on the web!
Congratulations to all four of you!
Ciao
Renato
Nanuls - Apr 16, 2009 10:44 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Great work!Thanks very much Renato, we're glad you like it. We were hoping to create somtehing that people would find useful. I hope that we have managed that.
Boydie - Apr 17, 2009 3:02 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Great work!Thanks Renato, 6 months in the making and hopefully a decent end product to advertise some of what Scotland has to offer.
Cheers,
Stephen
yatsek - Apr 15, 2009 6:12 pm - Voted 10/10
Great British Work!I just wonder if you'd call it internal or international collaboration? :)
Nanuls - Apr 16, 2009 10:46 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Great British Work!Well it has taken a Scot's man, an English man, a Welsh man and a Dutch man (which sounds like the start of a bad joke!) to create it, so I think we can call it a bit of both.
Cheers
Dan
Bubba Suess - Apr 16, 2009 1:07 am - Hasn't voted
Awesome!I had to translate the Agricola a while back, but I had a totally different image of the area in my mind. Thanks for the new image and the info!
Nanuls - Apr 16, 2009 10:53 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Awesome!Thanks very much. I’m glad this has helped you picture the area properly. I recently read Agricola myself; luckily I didn’t have to translate my copy!
jck - Apr 16, 2009 3:10 am - Voted 10/10
Materpiece!Great job guys!
Nanuls - Apr 16, 2009 10:55 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Materpiece!Cheers Jacek, it was an interesting page to produce.
Tomek Lodowy - Apr 16, 2009 3:45 am - Voted 10/10
fantastic pagewonderful piece of job done here
Congratulations and thanks to all of you guys!
Tomek
Nanuls - Apr 16, 2009 10:56 am - Hasn't voted
Re: fantastic pageThanks very much Tomek, it was a lot of work, but worth it I think. I'm happy to hear you like it.
Boydie - Apr 17, 2009 2:56 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: fantastic pageCheers Tomek, glad you like it.
Gangolf Haub - Apr 16, 2009 11:19 am - Voted 10/10
Excellent InfoBUT - as owner of some very long pages I have to tell you that you guys will run into big performance issues again and again. Moreover - just as a warning - when we switched from SPv1 to v2, the long pages got currupted since the standard size for the transfer had been limited to 100kb. This page is almost 500kB...
Which is why I'm (slowly) picking apart the Stubai, Ötztal, Marmolada Group pages.
Nanuls - Apr 17, 2009 4:39 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Excellent InfoHi Gangolf, thanks for the info. We have noticed some performance issues, which is why we actually reduced the size of the page a bit before finalising it. If you can believe that! Also, I'm always slightly wary that something may go wrong with the site or a particular page, so I keep a copy of the source code for each new page I create, which I update whenever I make big changes. I have done the same for this one. Does this mean there are plans to move SP to a new version?
Cheers
Dan
Gangolf Haub - Apr 17, 2009 8:32 am - Voted 10/10
Re: Excellent InfoNo new version planned - I don't think there'll be a change in the next two years but who knows? My point actually is that people won't read a long page anyway and it is better to have the real info where it belongs.
Route info -> route page
Mountain info -> mountain page
Subgroup info -> subgroup page
Group info -> group page
So the group page should have only the overview information, and so on. If I wanted to visit Cairngorm I'd look up the page, then look up the area around it to see where else I could go. Finally I'd like to get the greater context...
If I only knew I wanted to go to Scotland I'd go to this page here. There I'd expect the overview, where I could find which mountains and the general characteristics of the ranges. I'd look up which mountains are in which range and I finally would decide. E.g. I'd decide for Cairngorm and look up this page to find the detailed info.
But that's only how I would search - others might do it differently...
Nanuls - Apr 17, 2009 9:35 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Excellent InfoI agree, I don't think this page contains anything more than general information; there are no route descriptions or detailed information on individual mountains for example. I think it's big because the area is big. To be honest I don't think people will read the page the whole way through, I certainly have never read a guidebook from cover to cover as I would an ordinary book, and I don't expect people to do so here. If they are looking for some information about the area in general though, I hope that this page contains the information they might be looking for.
What we had noticed was that lots of mountain pages for this area had no parent page, and were therefore difficult to relate spatially to other mountains in Scotland, particularly as many of the lat/long coordinates entered for pages were, and still are, wrong. We designed this page to tie them together. In the future, we hope more area/range pages will be created, and they would be attached to this page also, thus creating a more complete system which you might use. Personally I work the other way around, looking at the general information first and then focusing my research based on the information I find there.
Cheers
Dan
Sarah Simon - Apr 16, 2009 10:16 pm - Voted 10/10
Set the bar a little higher, why don't you!This is FANTASTIC! Great job. Thank you for sharing this beautiful place with us all.
Sarah
Nanuls - Apr 17, 2009 4:47 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Set the bar a little higher, why don't you!Thanks very much Sarah we're glad you like the page, it is indeed a very beautiful place.
Cheers
Dan