Bob Sihler - Nov 19, 2008 1:29 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Tugging at the Ties that BindTim, there is much truth and wisdom in what you say, and you certainly haven't rained on the dream. I am under no illusions that if I lived in Bozeman I'd be out in the mountains every other day; I'd obviously be in them more than I am now (here, the closest mountains require 90-120 minutes to reach, too far for day trips with the kids, who aren't really old enough yet for camping-- or maybe I'm just not ready for that!), but I know I'd still spend most of my time at work and at home. That's the reality of working for a living and having a wife and kids. But what I need, what's been burning in me for years, is to be closer to the places I love most. Just their presence and potential will mean something. It used to be enough to head out West during my summers and spring breaks and winter breaks; I could usually spend a total of around two months per year out there, not bad for a working guy on the East Coast. But my wife has never liked this area, we don't really want the kids growing up here, and the demands of family cut back on the time I can spend in the West without getting into serious trouble with my wife. That last part comes with the turf, I know, but it leaves a hole nevertheless. So Vegas, if we do it, would be a good compromise. The weather's certainly better, the housing is better valued (there, we can get for 250 what here we'd pay at least 400 for), and the lifestyle is better (as long as we stay away from the craziness of the gambling industry, which I believe we will). And there's so much close by and not too far away that will be great for me to play in both alone and with the family. A move has been coming for a long time. Where has been the question. For me, it's always been the West, though my wife has been torn between that and the South, where she grew up and has family. But in Vegas we have a place of common interest, so it seems like the place to look. We've also looked at St. George but are concerned it might be too small for us in terms of economic diversity and opportunity. It's too bad; smallness in a town is something I like, and my dream would be living in some little town at the base of the Rockies somewhere in MT or WY. But that's just not practical, and my reason knows it even if my heart doesn't want to accept it.
Thanks for responding, Tim, and I'll keep you posted about my Glacier plans as summer approaches.
--Bob
imzadi - Nov 19, 2008 10:54 am - Voted 10/10
you hit it!When I read your intro...all I could say was "YES...That's it!" I've been trying to put a handle on my total love of hiking/climbing since I began (about 6 months ago). You hit it on the head...it isn't the DOING (the climbing, hiking, views, etc.) that pull you to the mountains...it's the BEING...being one with it all. What I love so much is that when you are there...I CAN'T think about the office, the house, the family, all the other "noise" that clutters the mind. I'm too busy just putting one foot in front of the other, finding the holds and footing, thinking about staying warm/dry (ha ha ha), and just the primative "survival" stuff. Too busy just being a part of it all with all of my senses.
It is good that you are looking to go "back" to where you belong (even if you just discovered this...like me). I wish I new then what I FEEL now. I would have made some VERY different choices in my life...what I did and where I'd end up. Again, not that I am unhappy at all with my wonderful hubby and 5 kiddos...and wouldn't change them for anything. I just wish I could have lived my life THERE being part of the wild mountains with them. Who knows...maybe someday.
Thanks, again, for putting words to my feelings.
Bob Sihler - Nov 19, 2008 8:21 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: you hit it!Yup, it seems you have the bug, too! You aptly describe how I feel when out there. Like you, I wouldn't undo the family-related choices, but I would have acted earlier in my career, before kids and getting settled into a certain lifestyle and all, to live somewhere else.
Thanks for reading and commenting.
Brad Snider - Nov 20, 2008 5:14 am - Voted 10/10
Tough DecisionsBob,
Wonderful article! I think while you point out your yearning to move West, you tempered that well with the spirit of compromise that is necessary to make it happen with a family. Priorities are of course important when you are dealing with more than just yourself. My wife and I have even toyed with the idea of returning to the West, where we lived for only 3 years--but long enough to catch that "bug" that makes it feel like home as much as "home" feels like home. I can't say right now if we will have the courage or spark to actually make it happen, but I admire your willingness to give it a try! I do long to return to the mountains, and I must admit the secure future here in the East does hamper the adventurous spirit despite my extreme want to return to the mountains. In any case, you captured the emotional struggle well, and as you of course know, you are indeed not alone in this!
Best wishes!
- Brad
Bob Sihler - Nov 21, 2008 12:14 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Tough DecisionsThanks, Brad! It's good to hear another Eastern perspective recognizing pretty much the same situation. My advice to you and your wife is that if you do return to the West, you should do it soon, before kids and getting dug in at your job complicate things. Ironically, I've been the bigger impediment to moving all these years (my wife won't give MT a try, but there are warmer places she would have tried long ago); I've been at the same job for 16 years now, so a major change means pretty much starting all over, which is a little intimidating to me. But this change has to happen, so I hope we make good choices. Of course, if our house doesn't sell, we're not going anywhere...
Kerstin - Nov 21, 2008 5:53 pm - Voted 10/10
Yes, indeed!"Home is where the heartache is". What a great title and a wonderfully written piece. I moved to Tahoe eight years ago after years of longing to live in the mountains. I was bitten by the mountain bug as a child, and was lucky to spend the last two years of high school living in Idyllwild, California. It was so hard to leave and go back to Los Angeles after the experiences I had.
It has been a struggle to live here at times but the struggle never lessens my feelings of being truly at home.
Bob Sihler - Nov 24, 2008 4:09 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Yes, indeed!Thank you, Kerstin. It sounds as though you made a great decision and are happy with it, and I hope I will be doing the same thing.
Bob Sihler - Nov 24, 2008 4:11 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Again, beautifully written...Thanks! I will definitely contact you if I do move out there and head to the Sierra; I actually had thought of that already in looking at Vegas. Hopefully, you won't have headed off to CO first. Good luck with that, though!
jareds - Nov 24, 2008 12:47 am - Hasn't voted
nicei was in nyc for 5 years, moved back to utah last year - SO HAPPY! I love being close to the mountains. i made sure the house we got had a view so i could always see them :)
Bob Sihler - Nov 24, 2008 4:12 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: niceGood call on that house. I'd go nuts in NYC; I'll take mountains over skyscrapers and culture.
klwagar - Nov 25, 2008 1:51 am - Voted 10/10
wow hard decisionsthe majority of my life has been spent in mountains and it is where I feel the most free. I spend most of my time thinking about them if I'm not there! This summer I went to Chamonix and I felt not only at home but totally accepted as well. The bond was the mountains. But when your loved one doesn't share that same passion...it creates some hard decisions. You're braver than I.
Bob Sihler - Nov 25, 2008 12:10 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: wow hard decisionsMy wife enjoys the mountains, just not the same way and as much as I do. What I have to accept is that she's never going to want to live in Montana or Wyoming unless we can afford a summer home there. We're currently leaning to Las Vegas, which has its downsides, too, but I see plenty of benefits and look at it as a compromise of sorts. And there's plenty right by Vegas to keep me happy, just not in the summer. But I can reach snowy mountains in a day from there!
Interesting comment about the mountains being a bond. I agree. In the mountains, I get along with and feel that I like almost everyone I meet. Elsewhere, I feel out of place and find little to like in many of the people I see and meet.
Cheers, Bob
bouldermom - Nov 26, 2008 9:31 pm - Hasn't voted
thank you!Thanks for the excellent piece, Bob. Like so many others, I really relate to your struggle. I am a Northeasterner who recently had the opportunity to live in Boulder for 2 years. Now I am back in the Northeast and... aaaaagggghh. I am working on finding a way back there, but also have a spouse who doesn't feel as strongly as I do. I am confident we will move out that way again... somehow, someway. I go back to visit when I can, but sometimes I wonder if that doesn't make it worse. Thanks for your wonderful insights and for helping me (and apparently others) to not feel so alone! Good luck to you.
Bob Sihler - Nov 30, 2008 7:54 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: thank you!Thank you for sharing; you obviously have struggled with some of the same things I have. Good luck with getting back to the West. We are making our plans, and I hope you are making yours. I am sure you can find a way to make your husband see it your way; you ladies are good at that!
By the way, going back to visit doesn't make it worse, though I know what you mean. Yes, it makes the yearning grow, and the distance greater, but you would be totally lost if you never went back at all.
seanfromcarson - Jan 31, 2009 7:47 pm - Hasn't voted
Epic.This article made my heart flutter. You expressed things I've felt in the backcountry so eloquently that it amplified my own yearnings to break away and disappear for a few months.
I'll be coming back to read this quite often.
Bob Sihler - Feb 1, 2009 10:27 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Epic.Thanks-- I'm glad it resonated!
ianc82 - Sep 6, 2009 12:56 am - Hasn't voted
I love montanaI spent years after college talking and dreaming about moving out west from my overcrowded New York hometown. I was held back by the fact I knew no one and would going it solo, but knew I must persue my love of mountaineering, hiking and wild country no matter the sacrifices. Finally I reluctantly said goodbye to all my friends and family, quit my job, put all my gear and books in my car and hit the road, settling in Pagosa Springs Colorado far from crowded denver. Fortunately I landed a job on a trails crew with the Forest Service that summer in the Weminuche Wilderness which i loved. Just recently I moved to Bozeman in search of work and fell in love with Montana very quickly. My aquisition of friends has been slow, sometimes I wish I could see my friends and family back home, but the the mountain west is proving to be more amazing the I ever dreamed! cheers, ian
Pete Castricone - Jun 22, 2013 11:25 am - Voted 10/10
Kindred SpiritBob, having lived in D.C. for 8 months now, the Appalachians can't provide what I need, and I can't hold back the desperate urge to be home in Colorado. Like you, I think about it all day every day. Career aspirations notwithstanding, the spirit wants what the spirit wants, and it guides us in the right direction. I hope you find your Yellowstone.
Bob Sihler - Jul 17, 2013 9:21 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Kindred SpiritThanks, Pete! I'm glad you know how it feels. Let me know if you're ever interested in climbing out at Great Falls.
TimB - Jul 1, 2013 1:10 pm - Hasn't voted
Interesting perspectiveAs a 'late bloomer' mountaineer/climber that has lived most of his 45 years in Idaho and Montana, it is good to have a reminder of just how nice this country is here. I think it is human nature to take for granted things that become 'familiar' over time.
Thank you, Bob.
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