Interesting to read. What also would be interesting to know is the mortality rate for guided climbs to the summit of Mont Blanc via the normal route (Goûter). I predict that that number is very small if not zero.
That would be interesting to know I agree, unfortunately I didn't find anything about it. I think one people died this year in Dome du Goûter. Better, I don't think, I know. But what I don't know if is he was guided...
I think it is easy to access. I did Mt. Blanc a few years back, one week later several people died - they were hiking in jeans, the weather changed and they got hypothermic. Mt. Blanc is so close to civilization, to tempting, but still challenging mountain.
yes Liba, I think this is the main problem on Mont Blanc, and as you pointed yourself, unexperienced people on the mountain. Jeans, seriously? Damn this is absurd...
I also did Mont Blanc but I never saw something as disturbing as that...I saw some clear signs of inexperience but jeans...lol
Thanks for reading!
Best wishes
Paulo
Thanks for the great post.
I did MB in 2006, helped out an Asian lady, who tried to put her crampons on upside down...Yes spikes facing sole...It was in Gouter, at 2am before starting the summit climb. During our 3 days climb 4 people died, a family roped before Gouter, and a tourist blown off to the glacier by the wind. We almost got hit by a huge rock kicked down by unexperienced "climbers" before Gouter, no shouting or making attention, what is coming...
You can see really absurd things up there. I will never ever climb anything popular as MB...the crowd is dangerous there...
I am sorry to tell that, but in the picture with the legend "The killer: Grand Couloir" we see the end of the ridge to Goûter hut and not the Grand Couloir. Grand Couloir is the snow pack close to Tête Rousse plateau, down left on the picture.
Well Macintosh I'll give you the credit for it, you're right on this one and I just changed the legend.
I'll even add one photo of the grand couloir. I know where the Grand Couloir is, trust me, I crossed it.
But what surprises me is that you didn't comment on anyhing else on the text, almost like you were looking for something wrong and found it.
Okay, cheers to you man!
Paolo, don't be so angry :) I trust you know where is this f... Grand Couloir. I crossed it twice a day during 2 month, except on sunday. Take a look here.
Paulo your article is nonsense, it is an example of how to attract attention and visibility by speaking about death and tragic deaths, an attitude much practiced by the worse kind of journalism, media and literature.
There is no constructive content in your article. It also shows you do not know how to read and present numbers, you completely fail to understand the meaning of statistics.
I do not want to start a discussion on this, suffice it to say that, according to your number of 0.15%, the probability of dying by climbing M.Blanc is lower, or similar, to the death probability associated with some very common behaviors, or exposures to common risks, like active smoking (higher), obesity, unintentional injuries, medical errors and hospital infections. Please keep in mind that only relative numbers matter in statistics, not absolute numbers, the fact that no Pygmy from Guinea ever died on M. Blanc does not mean they are good climbers.
Regards
Andrea Sansoni
Hmmm...
So you think I want "to attract attention and visibility by speaking about death and tragic deaths"???
Wow...Man, YOU DON'T KNOW ME AT ALL.
Yeah, okay...
Thank you anyway to speak up your mind and make all my work on the article seam useless.
Paulo
...I said it is an example of that, I do not know you and your motivations. The article is useless to say the least, it would have been useful if you expained that climbing m. blanc can be safer than many things we usually do at home, if we do it with the proper training and preparation to the risks involved.
Ironic that 'as' seems to base much of his criticism on Paulo's supposed lack of knowledge of statistics, but then 'as' proceeds to make it clear he doesn't have a lick of understanding of the matter himself!
I suppose 'as' believes that if you spend 2-3 days smoking cigarettes that it is even more dangerous than 2-3 days climbing Mount Blanc? He is a fool- just blow him off Paulo.
hansw - Aug 24, 2012 3:23 pm - Voted 10/10
InterestingInteresting to read. What also would be interesting to know is the mortality rate for guided climbs to the summit of Mont Blanc via the normal route (Goûter). I predict that that number is very small if not zero.
PAROFES - Aug 24, 2012 3:35 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: InterestingThat would be interesting to know I agree, unfortunately I didn't find anything about it. I think one people died this year in Dome du Goûter. Better, I don't think, I know. But what I don't know if is he was guided...
Liba Kopeckova - Aug 26, 2012 11:37 am - Voted 10/10
thanks PauloI think it is easy to access. I did Mt. Blanc a few years back, one week later several people died - they were hiking in jeans, the weather changed and they got hypothermic. Mt. Blanc is so close to civilization, to tempting, but still challenging mountain.
PAROFES - Aug 26, 2012 2:54 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: thanks Pauloyes Liba, I think this is the main problem on Mont Blanc, and as you pointed yourself, unexperienced people on the mountain. Jeans, seriously? Damn this is absurd...
I also did Mont Blanc but I never saw something as disturbing as that...I saw some clear signs of inexperience but jeans...lol
Thanks for reading!
Best wishes
Paulo
langvince - Sep 11, 2012 12:08 am - Hasn't voted
Re: thanks PauloThanks for the great post.
I did MB in 2006, helped out an Asian lady, who tried to put her crampons on upside down...Yes spikes facing sole...It was in Gouter, at 2am before starting the summit climb. During our 3 days climb 4 people died, a family roped before Gouter, and a tourist blown off to the glacier by the wind. We almost got hit by a huge rock kicked down by unexperienced "climbers" before Gouter, no shouting or making attention, what is coming...
You can see really absurd things up there. I will never ever climb anything popular as MB...the crowd is dangerous there...
PAROFES - Sep 11, 2012 6:07 am - Hasn't voted
Re: thanks PauloThat's what I do, don't wanna expose myself on Aconcagua or anything like it...
Too many unexperienced people on high mountains is not good at all...
macintosh - Aug 27, 2012 3:15 am - Hasn't voted
Wrong pictureI am sorry to tell that, but in the picture with the legend "The killer: Grand Couloir" we see the end of the ridge to Goûter hut and not the Grand Couloir. Grand Couloir is the snow pack close to Tête Rousse plateau, down left on the picture.
PAROFES - Aug 27, 2012 6:02 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Wrong pictureWell Macintosh I'll give you the credit for it, you're right on this one and I just changed the legend.
I'll even add one photo of the grand couloir. I know where the Grand Couloir is, trust me, I crossed it.
But what surprises me is that you didn't comment on anyhing else on the text, almost like you were looking for something wrong and found it.
Okay, cheers to you man!
PAROFES - Aug 27, 2012 6:14 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Wrong pictureThanks Borut for speaking up for me.
You know, we can't please everyone...It happens.
Cheers buddy!
Parofes
macintosh - Aug 27, 2012 6:16 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Wrong pictureI have nothing to say because your material is almost perfect :)
Obrigado !
PAROFES - Aug 27, 2012 6:21 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Wrong pictureOkay, if you say so I believe you.
Cheers
macintosh - Aug 27, 2012 9:42 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Wrong picturePaolo, belive Borut ! Belive me :)
PAROFES - Aug 27, 2012 9:44 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Wrong pictureRelax man...
:)
What got on my nerves was this idiot down here. So I started a thread on the forum and depending on it, I'll delete this article.
macintosh - Aug 27, 2012 9:48 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Wrong picturePaolo, don't be so angry :) I trust you know where is this f... Grand Couloir. I crossed it twice a day during 2 month, except on sunday. Take a look here.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1180359184543&set=a.1101855782007.2016818.1095068667&type=3&theater
PAROFES - Aug 27, 2012 9:51 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Wrong pictureMan I believe you, relax! ahahahah, really!
What I said about the idiot is not you, look below our comments and please, look at the thread and leave your opinion for me?
http://www.summitpost.org/phpBB3/damn-that-hurt-t63010.html
as - Aug 27, 2012 8:57 am - Hasn't voted
nonsensePaulo your article is nonsense, it is an example of how to attract attention and visibility by speaking about death and tragic deaths, an attitude much practiced by the worse kind of journalism, media and literature.
There is no constructive content in your article. It also shows you do not know how to read and present numbers, you completely fail to understand the meaning of statistics.
I do not want to start a discussion on this, suffice it to say that, according to your number of 0.15%, the probability of dying by climbing M.Blanc is lower, or similar, to the death probability associated with some very common behaviors, or exposures to common risks, like active smoking (higher), obesity, unintentional injuries, medical errors and hospital infections. Please keep in mind that only relative numbers matter in statistics, not absolute numbers, the fact that no Pygmy from Guinea ever died on M. Blanc does not mean they are good climbers.
Regards
Andrea Sansoni
PAROFES - Aug 27, 2012 9:02 am - Hasn't voted
Re: nonsenseHmmm...
So you think I want "to attract attention and visibility by speaking about death and tragic deaths"???
Wow...Man, YOU DON'T KNOW ME AT ALL.
Yeah, okay...
Thank you anyway to speak up your mind and make all my work on the article seam useless.
Paulo
as - Aug 27, 2012 9:22 am - Hasn't voted
Re: nonsense...I said it is an example of that, I do not know you and your motivations. The article is useless to say the least, it would have been useful if you expained that climbing m. blanc can be safer than many things we usually do at home, if we do it with the proper training and preparation to the risks involved.
PAROFES - Aug 27, 2012 9:24 am - Hasn't voted
Re: nonsensePlease man, stop writing here. You made your point already. You just let me know how good you are in judging people.
Hey, you're the expert...
mrchad9 - Aug 27, 2012 8:50 pm - Voted 10/10
Re: nonsenseIronic that 'as' seems to base much of his criticism on Paulo's supposed lack of knowledge of statistics, but then 'as' proceeds to make it clear he doesn't have a lick of understanding of the matter himself!
I suppose 'as' believes that if you spend 2-3 days smoking cigarettes that it is even more dangerous than 2-3 days climbing Mount Blanc? He is a fool- just blow him off Paulo.