"It is unlikely that a European who sailed from Europe would see some peaks and declare them as the peaks of Europe".
History is not like one want to be, history is based in facts. I've given my data with reference to a book but where is yours? We must not invent the history.
"Hope this explains why I've kept this theory - to me it sounds far more valid then a myth Legend about a King! ".
May be legends are simply fantasy but sometimes you could believe them. Couldn't you?
William, you don't know anything because there is no theory that revels this baptism with more likeliness.
"Why question opinions on this post based on whether someone is an American or rather a US citizen".
This is not the debate, the only cuestion is: are sailors who named first Picos de Europa necessarily from America? My response is: no, not necessarily. I'm waiting for Antony to say us where did he find the theory he showed off.
A bit of confusion here guys, now lets all settle down. Firstly I made the incorrect statement of saying that the Picos were named after people returning from the USA and somebody pointed out that they were named well before the USA existed. Point taken.
However, at the same time I was called a Chauvenist (unnecessarily) I thought and as well as correcting the post, I also replied saying how I was a British citizen and not an American - i.e. "sorry whoever you are - not an american". The phrase of tone was supposed to hint that the person who referred me as being Chauvenist was bang out of line.
Now, the theory of the Picos being named from sailors returning from the Americas I like. Returning from the Americas could be sailors of either American (i.e. the whole of South or North America) or European descent (i.e. sailors who'd gone out to explore and returned). Possibly a Spaniard or Portuguese! It is unlikely that a European who sailed from Europe would see some peaks and declare them as the peaks of Europe. However, somebody returning from a long trip away (like the Americas) or seeing Europe for the first time would! Hence the new post includes the word "Americas" and doesn't mention the USA once.
Hope this explains why I've kept this theory - to me it sounds far more valid then a myth Legend about a King!
"It is unlikely that a European who sailed from Europe would see some peaks and declare them as the peaks of Europe".
History is not like one want to be, history is based in facts. I've given my data with reference to a book but where is yours? We must not invent the history.
"Hope this explains why I've kept this theory - to me it sounds far more valid then a myth Legend about a King! ".
May be legends are simply fantasy but sometimes you could believe them. Couldn't you?
Perhaps your memory misled you. From Arenas to Puente Poncebos is 5.5 km along the road. Depending on the time of year it can be an easy hitch. From Puente Poncebos up the track to Bulnes is about an hour, or 5 minutes up the new underground funicular (€12.85 single). From Bulnes you have a choice of routes. Via Collado Pandébano is longer but the ascent is easier. The direct route via Canal de Camburero is nasty and brutish, but shorter. Collomb gives 5h 30m - 7h from Poncebos up Camburero and 7h 30m via Pandébano. That seems about right but would also depend on fitness and load.
important addition!:
43.19777
-4.85283
without it the peak isn't on map of google earth and all the new images are on USA and not in the real place in Asturias (Spain).
I climbed this peak the last week and it's very spectacullar. I'll add some images for the page. After 6 years without edition of the page, do you want to be the owner?, if you don't have more interest I have it because some people summited some images and it not appears in the main page and I think is necessary a small edition. If you want to edit and to continue with the page is o.k. for me. It's not a problem.
Thanks for your apretiations about the wonderfull Picos de Europa and for make this pake to SP.
Diego Sahagún - Jul 4, 2002 1:10 pm - Voted 5/10
Untitled Comment"It is unlikely that a European who sailed from Europe would see some peaks and declare them as the peaks of Europe".
History is not like one want to be, history is based in facts. I've given my data with reference to a book but where is yours? We must not invent the history.
"Hope this explains why I've kept this theory - to me it sounds far more valid then a myth Legend about a King! ".
May be legends are simply fantasy but sometimes you could believe them. Couldn't you?
Diego Sahagún - Jul 2, 2002 2:50 pm - Voted 5/10
Untitled CommentWilliam, you don't know anything because there is no theory that revels this baptism with more likeliness.
"Why question opinions on this post based on whether someone is an American or rather a US citizen".
This is not the debate, the only cuestion is: are sailors who named first Picos de Europa necessarily from America? My response is: no, not necessarily. I'm waiting for Antony to say us where did he find the theory he showed off.
Sincerely.
Antony Walker - Jul 4, 2002 6:00 am - Hasn't voted
Untitled CommentA bit of confusion here guys, now lets all settle down. Firstly I made the incorrect statement of saying that the Picos were named after people returning from the USA and somebody pointed out that they were named well before the USA existed. Point taken.
However, at the same time I was called a Chauvenist (unnecessarily) I thought and as well as correcting the post, I also replied saying how I was a British citizen and not an American - i.e. "sorry whoever you are - not an american". The phrase of tone was supposed to hint that the person who referred me as being Chauvenist was bang out of line.
Now, the theory of the Picos being named from sailors returning from the Americas I like. Returning from the Americas could be sailors of either American (i.e. the whole of South or North America) or European descent (i.e. sailors who'd gone out to explore and returned). Possibly a Spaniard or Portuguese! It is unlikely that a European who sailed from Europe would see some peaks and declare them as the peaks of Europe. However, somebody returning from a long trip away (like the Americas) or seeing Europe for the first time would! Hence the new post includes the word "Americas" and doesn't mention the USA once.
Hope this explains why I've kept this theory - to me it sounds far more valid then a myth Legend about a King!
Any more input,. then please add!
Diego Sahagún - Jul 4, 2002 1:10 pm - Voted 5/10
Untitled Comment"It is unlikely that a European who sailed from Europe would see some peaks and declare them as the peaks of Europe".
History is not like one want to be, history is based in facts. I've given my data with reference to a book but where is yours? We must not invent the history.
"Hope this explains why I've kept this theory - to me it sounds far more valid then a myth Legend about a King! ".
May be legends are simply fantasy but sometimes you could believe them. Couldn't you?
Goldilocks - Jan 3, 2005 12:28 pm - Hasn't voted
Untitled CommentPerhaps your memory misled you. From Arenas to Puente Poncebos is 5.5 km along the road. Depending on the time of year it can be an easy hitch. From Puente Poncebos up the track to Bulnes is about an hour, or 5 minutes up the new underground funicular (€12.85 single). From Bulnes you have a choice of routes. Via Collado Pandébano is longer but the ascent is easier. The direct route via Canal de Camburero is nasty and brutish, but shorter. Collomb gives 5h 30m - 7h from Poncebos up Camburero and 7h 30m via Pandébano. That seems about right but would also depend on fitness and load.
Rafa Bartolome - Oct 2, 2008 2:49 am - Voted 10/10
coordenates of summitimportant addition!:
43.19777
-4.85283
without it the peak isn't on map of google earth and all the new images are on USA and not in the real place in Asturias (Spain).
I climbed this peak the last week and it's very spectacullar. I'll add some images for the page. After 6 years without edition of the page, do you want to be the owner?, if you don't have more interest I have it because some people summited some images and it not appears in the main page and I think is necessary a small edition. If you want to edit and to continue with the page is o.k. for me. It's not a problem.
Thanks for your apretiations about the wonderfull Picos de Europa and for make this pake to SP.
cheers