My son and I were just at Crater Lake a couple weeks ago. It appears that the boat policy has changed. Now there are boats specifically designated for dropping folks off at Wizard Island--for either a three or six hour stay. Tickets for these boats are limited, of course. There are more specifics in the park newspaper, but I threw out my copy, and can't find it on the web (most parks have them on the web).
Mark, back in the day when this page was first created, I think the SP taxonomy was different, accounting for why this was posted as a route. But since it's a distinct summit, do you think it would be better posted as a mountain/rock? I've been having this discussion with someone familiar with the area recently, and I did change the other old route pages to mountain ones with the exception of the circumnavigation page. Since you're still active on the site, though, I didn't want to step on your toes.
I agree, Bob. I didn't originally create the page--I think mbpro did. In fact, I had prepared to climb it, then when we arrived the boat was obviously going to be sold out before we ever reached the ticket booth. On my return I did make a comment (above your own) based on my preliminary research, and mbpro (I think) added me to the page. I've done some work on it, but always wondered why it wasn't its own mountain page. --mark d.
Bob, I saw your post here. I had just started SP when I created the Wizard Island Peak Mountain/Rock page. I contacted Mark once i saw that their was a route page and he told me, similarly that he had inherited the page from another person.
At that time we decided to link the route page to the mountain page. Maybe some reorganizing is in order. I did this hike back in 2006 but I still remember it pretty well. Looks like one other has done it since so maybe their input would be helpful also.
I was the one who brought the Crater Lake taxonomy issue to the attention of the elves. The issue was only with the peaks on the Crater Rim, Wizard Island not included. I thought the peaks on the rim should be converted to mountain pages, since they are in fact mountains. It looks like the Wizard Island route page was submitted in the same manner as the rim peaks, but the mountain page was created much later.
I'm guessing Bob just didn't see the Wizard Island Peak mountain page and mistakenly converted this one along with the rim peaks. The taxonomy made perfect sense before converting it, a bit redundant but not too bad, the route page didn't need to be attached to the Crater Lake area page though.
Okay. I'm the one who converted it after Bob's suggestion, my having forgotten that there already was a mountain page. I've changed it back to a route. It doesn't matter to me if we decide to delete/merge the page, or if leaving it as is is a suitable answer. Again, I'm willing to give up this page if that's the best answer for SP. --mark d.
I'm smacking myself right now because I, too, didn't notice that the mountain page already existed. I think Mark's decision to go back to a route page and leave it attached to the mountain is best unless there is a real interest in merging the other pages.
OOG to answer your question, yes. I built the Mountain page. I did not see the route page when I joined and built it just a few days later. I have noticed since then that their were many other pages for routes in the area. Those I agree should be mountains. Those being: Hillman Peak and Mt Scott.
Sorry again Mark for making this all so complicated. It was a new member mistake to not notice the route page. Considering that the previous owner of that page and anyone having actually climbed the summit is absent maybe it was a good mistake to make.
Mark Doiron - Aug 23, 2007 9:01 pm - Hasn't voted
Boats Have ChangedMy son and I were just at Crater Lake a couple weeks ago. It appears that the boat policy has changed. Now there are boats specifically designated for dropping folks off at Wizard Island--for either a three or six hour stay. Tickets for these boats are limited, of course. There are more specifics in the park newspaper, but I threw out my copy, and can't find it on the web (most parks have them on the web).
--mark d.
Bob Sihler - Jan 1, 2012 3:16 pm - Hasn't voted
Mountain/Rock?Mark, back in the day when this page was first created, I think the SP taxonomy was different, accounting for why this was posted as a route. But since it's a distinct summit, do you think it would be better posted as a mountain/rock? I've been having this discussion with someone familiar with the area recently, and I did change the other old route pages to mountain ones with the exception of the circumnavigation page. Since you're still active on the site, though, I didn't want to step on your toes.
Cheers, and Happy New Year!
Bob
Mark Doiron - Jan 1, 2012 4:42 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Mountain/Rock?I agree, Bob. I didn't originally create the page--I think mbpro did. In fact, I had prepared to climb it, then when we arrived the boat was obviously going to be sold out before we ever reached the ticket booth. On my return I did make a comment (above your own) based on my preliminary research, and mbpro (I think) added me to the page. I've done some work on it, but always wondered why it wasn't its own mountain page. --mark d.
Arkitekt - Jan 3, 2012 10:50 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Mountain/Rock?Bob, I saw your post here. I had just started SP when I created the Wizard Island Peak Mountain/Rock page. I contacted Mark once i saw that their was a route page and he told me, similarly that he had inherited the page from another person.
At that time we decided to link the route page to the mountain page. Maybe some reorganizing is in order. I did this hike back in 2006 but I still remember it pretty well. Looks like one other has done it since so maybe their input would be helpful also.
Mark Doiron - Jan 4, 2012 3:13 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Mountain/Rock?That's right, I forgot about that. Maybe we should just make Arkitekt the owner of this page and let him merge the two? --mark d.
OOG - Jan 5, 2012 12:15 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Mountain/Rock?I was the one who brought the Crater Lake taxonomy issue to the attention of the elves. The issue was only with the peaks on the Crater Rim, Wizard Island not included. I thought the peaks on the rim should be converted to mountain pages, since they are in fact mountains. It looks like the Wizard Island route page was submitted in the same manner as the rim peaks, but the mountain page was created much later.
I'm guessing Bob just didn't see the Wizard Island Peak mountain page and mistakenly converted this one along with the rim peaks. The taxonomy made perfect sense before converting it, a bit redundant but not too bad, the route page didn't need to be attached to the Crater Lake area page though.
Mark Doiron - Jan 5, 2012 2:46 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Mountain/Rock?Okay. I'm the one who converted it after Bob's suggestion, my having forgotten that there already was a mountain page. I've changed it back to a route. It doesn't matter to me if we decide to delete/merge the page, or if leaving it as is is a suitable answer. Again, I'm willing to give up this page if that's the best answer for SP. --mark d.
Bob Sihler - Jan 5, 2012 3:08 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Mountain/Rock?I'm smacking myself right now because I, too, didn't notice that the mountain page already existed. I think Mark's decision to go back to a route page and leave it attached to the mountain is best unless there is a real interest in merging the other pages.
Arkitekt - Jan 6, 2012 5:28 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Mountain/Rock?OOG to answer your question, yes. I built the Mountain page. I did not see the route page when I joined and built it just a few days later. I have noticed since then that their were many other pages for routes in the area. Those I agree should be mountains. Those being: Hillman Peak and Mt Scott.
Sorry again Mark for making this all so complicated. It was a new member mistake to not notice the route page. Considering that the previous owner of that page and anyone having actually climbed the summit is absent maybe it was a good mistake to make.