Arthur Digbee wrote:... For decades it was Parks Canada policy to have a golf course in every park ...
Yeah, watch out for that #12 hole at Yosemite ...
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by Mark Doiron » Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:38 am
by Ejnar Fjerdingstad » Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:13 pm
by John Duffield » Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:17 pm
by builttospill » Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:45 pm
redneck wrote:builttospill wrote:I think the problem comes when we see more oil and gas leases and extractive action, while additional fees are being imposed. I'm not sure what the reality is in terms of whether leases have become more common, but there is certainly a perception among people I know that they have, despite rising user fees. If we can't have it both ways (I agree, we can't), then USFS can't either.
I don't have any numbers handy, but whatever is going on in the oil and gas world, we all know that timber harvesting in western National Forests has been scaled way back.
by AshwinNarayan » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:46 am
by Dow Williams » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:39 pm
James_W wrote:They would probably need to put it on top considering the other side of it.
by mrchad9 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:18 pm
by mconnell » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:10 pm
mrchad9 wrote:Just compare the process to get a climbing permit to spend time on Shasta, Hood, Baker, Jefferson, to the process on Mt Ranier, and you will see what I mean. Four of those are much more wild and free than the other.
by mrchad9 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:57 pm
mconnell wrote:mrchad9 wrote:Just compare the process to get a climbing permit to spend time on Shasta, Hood, Baker, Jefferson, to the process on Mt Ranier, and you will see what I mean. Four of those are much more wild and free than the other.
On Shasta: Walk in, give them your money, walk out with a permit.
On Rainier: Walk in, give them your money, walk out with a permit.
Mount Ranier National Park Climbing Reservation Policies wrote:Fees, Changes and Refund Policy
Reservations cost $20 per party (1-12 people) per climb (up to 14 consecutive nights). Reservation fees are non-refundable.
All climbers pay a flat fee of $30, whether they climb one time or numerous times. This fee must be paid at the time the reservation is made (or when registering for your first climb of the year if no reservation has been made). This climbing fee is valid for an entire calendar year--i.e. fees paid in 2007 will expire December 31, 2007.
Climbing Pass fees are non-refundable.
One change may be made to a climbing reservation after it is confirmed at no additional fee. Each subsequent change requires an additional charge of $20. Changes include altering climbing itinerary and increasing party size.
Each climber must present a Mount Rainier Climbing Pass and valid photo I.D. at the time they register for their climb. Failure to provide the climbing pass and I.D. will result in the climber being charged the climbing fee.
Climbing parties with one or more members who have already purchased a Mount Rainier Climbing Pass for the current year must also complete and submit a Climbing Party Supplemental Form. This additional form ensures that your party is not charged climbing fees for those already possessing a valid climbing pass when requesting reservations.
Reservations can be made only by fax or mail beginning March 15th. Faxes sent or letters postmarked before March 15th will not be accepted. Phone reservations are also not accepted. Travel here to submit your request for a climbing or backpacking reservation. Complete the reservation form (and the Climbing Party Supplemental Form if applicable) and FAX it to (360) 569-3131 (360) 569-3131, or mail it to:
Longmire Wilderness Information Center
Mount Rainier National Park
55210 238th Avenue East
Ashford, WA 98304
Reservations can also be made in person at the Longmire Wilderness Information Center beginning Memorial Day weekend. Reservations cannot be confirmed until payment is received. The park accepts Visa, MasterCard, American Express and Discover credit cards. A confirmation letter will be sent if the trip can be accommodated, or a letter of rejection will be sent if the trip cannot be accommodated.
Reservations that are not picked up by 10:00 a.m. on the first day of the trip will be cancelled unless the party has called any park Ranger Station and requested a late pick up. Additionally, a late pick up can be requested when a reservation is made by writing a note on the reservation form indicating late pickup.
by Diggler » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:01 pm
by rhyang » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:02 pm
mconnell wrote:mrchad9 wrote:Just compare the process to get a climbing permit to spend time on Shasta, Hood, Baker, Jefferson, to the process on Mt Ranier, and you will see what I mean. Four of those are much more wild and free than the other.
On Shasta: Walk in, give them your money, walk out with a permit.
On Rainier: Walk in, give them your money, walk out with a permit.
by mrchad9 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:09 pm
rhyang wrote:mconnell wrote:mrchad9 wrote:Just compare the process to get a climbing permit to spend time on Shasta, Hood, Baker, Jefferson, to the process on Mt Ranier, and you will see what I mean. Four of those are much more wild and free than the other.
On Shasta: Walk in, give them your money, walk out with a permit.
On Rainier: Walk in, give them your money, walk out with a permit.
Mt. Shasta is a USFS wilderness area. Mt. Rainier is a national park.
You have to pay to get into MRNP. Then you have to pay to get a summit pass, if you are climbing above 10000'. Wilderness permit reservations will also cost you. Whether or not you want a reservation depends on where you are going -- when mcconnell and I did the Kautz we didn't bother with one, but if we were doing the Emmons or DC maybe we'd like one.
Mt. Shasta wilderness permits are free and there is (currently) no quota. They only charge for the summit pass if you are climbing above 10000'. And as telewoman has pointed out in the past, dayhikers to Helen Lake (10400') are considered exempt.
But as I understand it, summit pass fees are the same federal program -- fee demo. It's the same program that the USFS uses to charge people for parking in southern california (Adventure Pass) and in the Pacific NW (NW Adventure Pass) and for wilderness permits in Sequoia NP ($15 a pop).
by mconnell » Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:40 pm
mrchad9 wrote:If Mr. McConnell thinks they are the same on both mountains he is clearly misguided at best.
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