in november of '07 i had backpacked down halls creek for 4 days and scouted 2 other canyons (happy dog and baboon laughs i called them) pretty well. this canyon afforded me no peek at its goodies, worse than a nun it was. but of course that did not stop me from going back w/ another fool to pull the trigger. the other 2 turned out to be just what i thought they would, so in perfect jason logic that meant my surmise as to this canyons condition was also correct. uhhh, NO. another beautiful, beautiful canyon that will make you cry (or worse...) if you do not know what your doing.