To attention of all the parents.

To attention of all the parents.

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Does the worldwide hotel chain sponsor children violence?


Children are not to be brought to the high mountains, especially to an altitude which can seriously affect the growing body in not predictable way.




To attention of all the parents.

Climbing mountains is beautiful and exciting sport but potential risks are very high there. People who climb mountains must be fully conscious that on their decision depend their health and life as well as the lives of others. Reasoning from this it is clear that young children should not be brought to the extreme mountain conditions which require power and responsibility of an adult. Sometimes people who have no idea of how dangerous mountain climbing can be, make the mistakes which cost too high price...

There is an example below, which could teach all of us to be more attentive
to our children.

Ian Mac Keever Here are the shameful facts about Irish record maker Ian Mc Keever who misused and nearly killed the 11 years old child for realization doubtful project on Elbrus sponsored by the worldwide hotel chain.

During July, 2008 Ian Mc Keever booked the Elbrus ascent with AlexClimb Mountain Guide for himself, 11 years old boy (the name of child is not to be used here), Gordon Ward and Adam King, but against all the recommendations omitted the necessary acclimatization part of the program presuming than the child has an "exceptional altitude resistance"...
AlexClimb climbing agency does not work with children. Exception was made to Ian Mc Keever (who wasn't direct relative to the child) only because he had the special letter from the mother of the young boy which empowered him to take all the decisions and responsibility.

To that moment Ian had his own experience with Elbrus, quite a rough one, as Elbrus is the only mountain which was not climbed from the first attempt during his 7-Summits record. His new idea was to make another speed record with a child. Ian Mc Keever was informed that climbing in high altitude conditions without proper acclimatization
can have the fatal consequences for the health of young boy but Ian declined this reasonable recommendation and made the decision to attempt Elbrus in 4 days.


On the mountain from the first day it was clear that the boy was not ready for the climb. While the short acclimatization walk everybody observed that the child got mountain sickness because of the sharp altitude gain. His heart rate increase up to 180 even when he was quite and it was so bad that Russian Guide leading the group made Ian to stop any activity for this day. Ian Mc Keever insisted that this was normal and presumed to make a short phone conversation with boy's mother, after which he had informed the team that the mother approved his decision to carry on "until boy can walk". (Afterwards, in communication with the mother it was found that Ian Mc Keever never spoke with her about this matter, and
all that she knows is Sean had "minor nose bleeding".) After the phone conversation Ian passed mothers words to the team that all is well and Sean always has high heart rate. After that it was nothing to do but continue the program.


The following night the boy did not sleep, lost his appetite and shown more serious symptoms of AMS. It was told to Ian Mc Keever that the climb was not possible in such conditions. In spite of all the logic and sense, Ian Mc Keever decided to attempt the mountain after one day rest. This decision was quite a stupid one as the AMS can not be cured without going down from the mountain.


On the next day the team got a snow cat lift to the point 4700 m. It was a perfect night for the climb, the ideal one, with many people going up and with the best weather and snow conditions. But Ian's idea to bring up a sick child and forcing him to walk up was not a good idea at all.

After very slow 200 meters the boy said (he hardly could speak) that he can not walk any more (his pulse was close to 200 again). Only after that, Ian agreed to his Guide that the climb should be terminated as the continuation can cause the death of the child.


After the descent Ian Mc Keever made the nearly recovered young boy to
tell lie to the journalists as to conceal the fact of his getting sick, but the reason of Elbrus ascent failure was told the bad weather.


As a result, the child's physical health was seriously affected as he was exposed to huge altitude stress without obligatory preparation. Young boy also was injured psychologically as he was made to lie to other people.


The reason for all this was nothing more than Ian Mc Keever's desire of
new world record and getting further sponsorship.

Most of the people go to the mountains to look for the tranquility and calmness, some go there for the bright and clear impressions which beautify their lives.

But some scoundrels go to the mountains to realize their miserable ambitions and do not hesitate to misuse and harm other people. Some cases are so ugly that they deserve to be blamed and punished publicly.


Your comments are welcome!

SP Member Kamil posted two links on this subject:
http://www.examiner.ie/story/sport/gbsnidsnsn/rss2
http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/news-gossip/sean-mcsharry-1510530.html

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skyward22

skyward22 - Apr 17, 2009 11:58 am - Hasn't voted

Re: Revolting

"What happens if I say no? I just keep myself away from some trouble which can happen to defenseless and unaware people. The guy who got such a dangerous ideas can find other not scrupulous people to realize his project or even try to do it on his own... "

This is exactly the rationalization that continues to allow individuals like Ian to pursue such ridiculous climbs. If you say no, sure he may find someone else. But it is then your (and the rest of the climbing community's) responsibility to alienate guides who engage in such activitties and push for the barring of their licensures.

Liba Kopeckova

Liba Kopeckova - Apr 2, 2010 8:09 pm - Voted 10/10

Re: Revolting

wow...and I felt being an abusive mom after taking my son to climb Colorado fourteeners (and we live at nearly 2000 meters elevation year round) - he puked after climbing 2 of them. I guess sometimes our ambitions make us blind...
Poor kid... he will probably never want to climb a mountain in his life...
I have to agree with Corax - it was a madness from the start!

sixfingers

sixfingers - Apr 6, 2009 12:57 pm - Hasn't voted

His priority was........?

From the Irish Examiner:

McKeever’s other milestones include the speed ascent record for 35,000 feet, which involved climbing Croagh Patrick seven times in 17 hours.

Dude needs a Guinness or two and a laxative, and not necessarily in that order.

Obviously someone so driven to succeed at succeeding should not have custodial powers, it will only become a hindrance to their success. A little responsibility / fault lies with whoever allowed them into the snocat to continue higher up the mountain.


Ejnar Fjerdingstad

Ejnar Fjerdingstad - Apr 8, 2009 6:16 pm - Voted 10/10

Our children

climbed the Wildspitze at ages 9 and eleven, and had absolutely no problems with that. I have read about seven years olds climbing the Matterhorn, and similar tall/difficult peaks, and I have heard one guide say, that he is generally more concerned about the adults than about the children! But I would never had let one of my kids climb any peak of any kind without either me or my wife going along. I think that was the gravest error committed. A (normal) parent will be more concerned about the child than any stranger, and if the child looks sick or has a high pulse will call the climb off.

BigRob

BigRob - Apr 17, 2009 12:55 pm - Hasn't voted

Re: Our children

Copy that...I'm with you.

mthomas

mthomas - Apr 15, 2009 1:16 am - Voted 10/10

The difference is the child

Hi Alex!

Very good article! I think we can all relate to pushing ourselves sometimes beyond the prudent or safe level. After all, it is how great things are acheived. The difference in this case, as you clearly point out, is that Ian didn't push himself beyond the safe limits. He pushed a child beyond the safe limits, for his personal selfish gains. I'm glad you wrote this article to give exposure to this issue. What you said needed to be said.

Until we climb together again,

Michael Thomas

alexclimb

alexclimb - Apr 23, 2009 6:23 am - Hasn't voted

Re: The difference is the child

Hola, Amigo mio! Parece que SummitPost - es el mejor lugar del encuentro! Soy muy contento verte aquí, muchas gracias por tu comentario!

BigRob

BigRob - Apr 17, 2009 12:01 pm - Hasn't voted

Title?

Does putting gas in your car sponser terrorism?
Does owning a gun sponsor mass shootings?
Does having and using electricity in your home sponsor lung disease?
Does having domestic help sponsor illegal immagration?

I climb with my kids, but I don't "make" them do stuff they feel uncomfortable on. My safety threshold for my kids is much higher than for myself (and I consider myself a safe climber). I doubt that it will ever happen, but I could see my kids climbing to 18,000 at eleven. I'm never irresponsible to with my kids. I also believe a sedentary lifestyle will kill many more kids than mountains ever do.

I don't have a maid, but am guilty of all my previous questions. I do not consider myself a sponsor of any of those things I mention.

crewdoglm

crewdoglm - May 15, 2009 7:38 pm - Hasn't voted

Trailer trash mountaineer...

As career US service member and lifetime climber I do experience risk for duty's sake but I must also admit to taking preposterous risks for the sake "self actualization" and adventure. I had to call knock it off when my son was born! Embracing self-actualization or some other counter-culture,love-of-nature zen ideal is only putting a cheap mask on ordinary selfishness especially when you've got a child who needs you. This selfishness and hubris is what climbers have been guilty of all along. Neither original nor inspiring, what's-his-name exemplifies the most shameful form of mediocrity. He helps us all look like scoundrels. Not content to simply endanger himself, he put his child in peril to fortify his own ego. By the way, anyone with a basic knowledge of mountain safety knows that children are especially susceptible to hypoxia. How tall is Elbrus anyway? What the f---- over? Get this guy on Jerry Springer right away. Joe

gmacanbhaird1 - May 25, 2009 5:39 pm - Voted 1/10

Response to Alex Climb misrepresentation

Does the worldwide hotel chain sponsor children violence?
My name is Gordon Ward and together with Sean, his Godfather Ian and Adam I was part of this expedition to Elberus. It gauls me to see this kind of dishonest, cowardly and wholly inaccurate blogging online. But of course I guess that’s the joy of blogging online; one can sit comfortably in anonymity behind such a cowardly act, while attempting to defame the good name and reputation of all parties involved!
These are the simple facts pertaining to that trip
1. On the 5th of May 2008 together with his God father Ian mc Keever Sean stood proudly on the top of Kilimanjaro Mountain, (just under 6,000 metres) at the age of 10; the 2nd youngest person ever recorded to have done so and the youngest European on record. He did so in part because of his wonderful attitude which is so positive to everything he does in life but in equal measure because of the manner in which he was prepared meticulously by his Godfather Ian in every possible way, from physical and mental preparation to all aspects of his diet and strengthening his immune system ahead of a trip to altitude. Sean’s performance throughout; including his ability to adjust comfortably and acclimatise accordingly to altitude were witnessed and monitored first hand by the team form Tusker trails, his Godfather and indeed one of Europe’s most respected guides John Whittle who filmed the entire trip on camera.
2. On the back of his successful trip to Kilimanjaro, Sean indicated a willingness and desire to go to Argentina and the following year visit Aconcagua. In order to ascertain whether Sean would be able to adapt to more difficult conditions such as high winds and colder temperatures, Ian suggested a trip to Russia to see how he might fair on Elberus. To make the trip all the more enjoyable Ian invited along two other persons myself and Adam both of were keen to see Russia’s highest peak. Ian indicated a strong willingness to want to work with Alex a local Russian guide, with whom he had worked successfully twice in fact on his 7 summits world record success and so arrangements were made with Alex. In the blog it refers to the ‘rough experience’ Ian had previously on Elberus. On their 1st attempt a winter ascent during Ian’s seven summits record, one of Ian’s team became sick and at Ian’s request to the team leader Dave, the team turned back, hardly the actions of an egomaniac, consumed with breaking records? Ian, minus a larger ‘climbing party’ successfully summated Elberus in just 2 days.




3. Once again Sean prepared hard and enjoyed getting ready for the pending trip to Russia. We often joined himself and Ian on preparatory climbing trips before setting off. Working with kids every day of the week on behalf of the GAA (our National footballing body in Ireland) I was delighted to accompany the guys and having known Ian for over 20 years, I was well used to the manner in which he approached every challenge he ever undertook in life, (for those really interested in learning more you can read his book entitled ‘Give Me Shelter’. It’s worth pointing out that Sean’s success in Africa inspired many others back in Ireland to go on and do wonderful things like Clare Power aged 65 who would become the oldest Irish woman to stand at the summit of Kili.
4. We all took on board form the sponsor to the climbing party the fact that we only had in effect a matter of days to consider a summit attempt on Elberus and Ian was the 1st to point out that a 7-10 day period would have been preferable, but schooling and time off wasn’t an option at that stage. In light of same Ian pointed out to Sean and the rest of us that there was a very good chance we wouldn’t get to summit at all, given the required weather window but that if Sean was to happy to go and get the experience to be gleaned for being on the ice it was still worth going. Ian was conscious that the weather conditions would have to be ‘perfect’ to ever even allow Sean the chance to have a summit attempt. He knew that Sean could and would quickly adjust to altitude, however was he was equally concerned about the fact that we were now at the end of the summer season and condition on Elberus were now notorious for changing at this point.
5. Nobody displayed any symptoms of Acute mountain sickness whatsoever and to indicate same on the blog is another spiteful lie. Sean adjusted and performed well on the pre summit attempt as we made our made our way to the rock of Pastracov. It’s certainly true that his diet wasn’t in favour of many the foods we were eating in the hut (I can’t blame him to be fair) but no more than his Godfather he was a quite a fussy eater at the best of times! In any case on the night we hoped to summit I witnessed first hand the difficult conditions we were about to go into. The winds were high, it was bitterly cold and the ice was hard for crampon placement. At one point one of my gloves was blown 10 metres as I scurried to get it back. Far from the prefect conditions I’m afraid described by our ‘blogger’ and certainly not contusive to allowing a 10 year old attempt to summit. ‘It’s over guys – were turning back’ they were Ian’s words and he indicated very clearly from he outset, to Sean and myself and Adam that the summit attempt wasn’t on. In truth I’m glad he made that call and so following a brief discussion with the local mountain guide Alex we went back to our huts. Sadly time wouldn’t be giving us a second chance as we only ever really had one weather window opportunity and as anyone who has ever climbed reading this knows, one rarely gets to go above the clouds without at least having 1-2 spare climbing days.


6. The next day after we came off the mountain , Sean and Adam did a small altitude climb together and Sean performed extremely well while Ian did a communiqué back to our flagship programme Morning Ireland on the radio to keep them updated of progress. High winds were cited as the primary issue and reason for turning back, which is exactly why we did so. As Alex indicated himself to Sean et al had we more time to as would have been preferable then Sean would have stood every chance of a successful summit. Was he richer for the experience? For sure he is
7. On the matter of the manner in which Sean was looked after from start to finish, form his safety to his welfare – no kid could have been better cared for in every possible way. The love and support afforded to him at all times by his Godfather is a shining example for any of us contemplating setting a positive example for our kids going forward. What Sean has already achieved will stand him in the best of stead not only for his future but in life – we are all very proud of him


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