mountainfire - Nov 1, 2005 11:35 am - Voted 10/10
Ancient Iranian name?Nader, I have heard that these mountains nowdays called " Takhte Soleyman "have another very ancient ( Iranian / Persian / Zartoshti ) name, do you know anything about it ?!
I appreciate your comment.
MF
nader - Nov 1, 2005 1:00 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Ancient Iranian name?I do not and don't know how to research it. I would personally like to call them Takhte Jamshid, Takhte Fereydoon....instead of Takhte Soleyman. I don't even know what "Nisht" in Rostam Nisht means.
The origins of the names Rostam Nisht, Takhte Rostam and Haft Khan peaks are also not known to me. I guess I would like to know if climbers in recent years have made up these names or there are more ancient roots.
mountainfire - Nov 1, 2005 1:40 pm - Voted 10/10
Re: Ancient Iranian name?The relative new influence of " Semitic Jewish originated names " and later " Semitic Arabic" names on Iranian toponym, ancient monument names, places and mountain names is a well- known fact.
I am almost sure that these mountains have real ancient Iranian names.
One example :
Near Zanjan city we have one of the oldest Fire Temple in Iran, now called " Takhte Soleyman " (!!!!) , a very strange name for an ancient Iranian ( Zartoshti ) temple, but this name is new and not a proper name and the real name is Azargoshnasb. The temple is located 42 km NE of Takab, in Western Azarbaijan.
This is just one example.
I never liked this ugly foreign names on Iranian mountains. Our ancient monuments, and Mountains should have their " real " local Iranian names and no foreign (religious ) names.
This is a shame.
nader - Nov 1, 2005 4:27 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Ancient Iranian name?You can supposedly find evidence for an old structure on the summit of Azad Kooh. I was so busy taking pictures on the summit that I did not pay any attention to what my guide was saying about the fire temple that used to be in that spot. There is also a mountain near Tehran named Atash Kooh, so called because of a pre-Islamic Persian fire temple.
I have also heard that before the ruins of Persepolis were "discovered" by the archeologists, the locals called the place "Mash-hade Maadare Soleymoon". This is pretty sad.
A few months ago I bought a three volume English translation of Ferdowsi's Shahnameh. Reading all these stories about the ancient pre-Islamic Persians has given me a new appreciation for what being Persian is all about. It has introduced me to so many characters with beautiful Persian names such as Iraj, Manoochehr, Siyavash, Mah Afarid....I never knew who these characters were supposed to be. After reading the stories, the poems of Ferdowsi become much easier to understand. These can all be beautiful mountain names too.
nader - Nov 2, 2005 9:29 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Ancient Iranian name?Thanks for the article.
mountainfire - Nov 3, 2005 4:31 am - Voted 10/10
Re: Ancient Iranian name?This is a shame for all of us to let some deceptive minded creatures change the real names of our ancient monuments / mountains to non- Iranian Semitic Jewish / Arabic names.
Our mountains had a very special place in our ancient culture and to think that all impressive mountains have had no Iranian names is a big mistake.
The following is a part of article you can find in The Iranian. com. It may be interesing for some of you to know which kind of place the Mountains have had in our pre- islamic culture:
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"" .... a word about the sacred place mountains occupy in Iranian cultural history.
In the Avesta, the Hymn to the Earth spoke of two thousand, two hundred and forty-four mountains created by Ahuramazda. The first of these was Haraiti Barez, present-day Alborz, which name is the re-Persianized form of the Arabicized Al-Barez.
The Haraiti Barez of the Avesta stretched eastward along the shores of the land that was washed by waters, above which stars revolved and where Ahuramazda built a dwelling for Mithra, the lord of wide pastures.
In the legends of Iran's kings and heroes, as described in Ferdowsi's Shahnameh, the Alborz Mountain played an important point of reference. Sam sent his albino son Zal to Alborz to be rid of the evil that had afflicted him; Alborz was King Manouchehr's retreat and the scene of many a battle fought by Rostam; the villain Zahak was imprisoned at Mount Damavand; and the hero Arash Kamangheer (the Archer) flung his arrow from Mount Damavand to mark the eastward frontier of Manouchehr's kingdom.
The sacred libation hom grew in the mountains. On Mount Asnavand, Keikhosro, the mythical Kyanian king, built the first of the three celebrated fire-temples. Another Kyanian king, Gashtasp, built the temple Azar Barzin Mehr at Navand, a mountain in the northwest of present-day Sabzevar in Kohrasan.
The Greek historian Herodotus said it best when he noted about the ancient Persians (Histories, Rawlinson's edition, Book I:131):
“They have no images of the gods, no temples nor altars, and consider the use of them a sign of folly... Their wont, however, is to ascend the summits of the loftiest mountains, and there to offer sacrifice to Jupiter which is the name they give to the whole circuit of firmament,” Jupiter referring to Ahuramazda. ...""
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Even if one mountain range or individual peak has no name (or we do not know the ancient names) , we can always find a proper Iranian name for it.
I think we should learn to appreciate what we have otherwise, as my old grand father always said; " What blongs to you, if you do not apreciate, very soon would be owned by some one else! " .
Througout our history we had been too naive, I guess this is the reason why some rude people had been given our ancinet Mountains and monuments false foreign names and by doing this they have promoted their own culture and suppressed the local ancinet Iranian culture.
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