Westface of the Petit Dru

Westface of the Petit Dru

Westface of the Petit Dru
dirkclaessen
on Dec 23, 2001 8:46 am
Image ID: 3331

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UlrichPrinz

UlrichPrinz - Dec 30, 2001 6:39 am - Hasn't voted

Should this photo be replaced ?

Hi Dirk,



Sorry, I was not meaning to be rude, but I have

posted a picture with a similar viewpoint and

lighting which is bigger and sharper and contains

more detail.



Maybe you want to remove this picture and leave

the one I posted instead ?



Regards,

Ulli

John

John - Jan 3, 2002 10:07 am - Hasn't voted

Re: Should this photo be replaced ?

Hi Ulli,



I'm not sure if my eyes are playing tricks on me ... could you help me by pointing out your picture that you refer to for comparison? Is it still up?



Regards,



John

UlrichPrinz

UlrichPrinz - Jan 4, 2002 12:23 am - Hasn't voted

Re: Should this photo be replaced ?

Sorry, My mistake !



There is actually 2 with different Zoom:

Photo 1

Photo 2



Cheers,

Ulli

John

John - Jan 4, 2002 8:32 pm - Hasn't voted

Re: Should this photo be replaced ?

Hi Ulli & Dirk,



Hmm... Ulli's photos look different enough to me that I would be inclined to vote for keeping Dirk's photo on SP. The angle is certainly different as the left side of the peak in this photo appears steeper than on the two others photos. I think this one is fairly dramatic - almost like an oil painting. Just my 0.02 euros.



Cheers,

John

UlrichPrinz

UlrichPrinz - Jan 5, 2002 1:57 am - Hasn't voted

Re: Should this photo be replaced ?

Hi John,



The reason for Dirks picture showing a steeper

mountain is that there was obviously some

distortion while scanning or resizing the picture.



This is certainly not how the mountain looks like

in the real world, which was my initial reason for

wanting to replace it. My photo was taken with a

digicam in November, and I can assure you that it looks

like _this_ and is not as dramatically steep

as in the original picture.



The comparison with the oil painting in quite good,

but beeing obviously a scan from some paper picture

it might confuse people about reality.



I am not 100% happy with the quality of the pictures

my camera did that day (too bright & not as sharp as

they could be ), so the best would be probably if

someone with a good Digicam goes out there (which

is a crowded tourist spot - a train station) in good

lighting conditions and takes that *ideal* picture,

and I will be more than happy to take my pictures down

from SP and would also vote for the original picture

beeing taken down because it is far from being realistic.



Cheers,

Ulli Prinz

John

John - Jan 6, 2002 12:37 am - Hasn't voted

Re: Should this photo be replaced ?

Hello Ulli,



After taking a closer look at all 3 photos, it appears that the angle in Dirk's photo is in between the two photos you submitted as evidenced by the mountain behind le Petit Dru. Based on this, I'm guessing all 3 photos were taking from different locations.



Ulli Photo 1: Cannot see 2nd mountain at all

Dirk Photo: Can see lower flank of 2nd mountain

Ulli Photo 2: 2nd mountain with summit exposed



To my eyes, Dirk's photo in question looks similar to this one. Some good additional photos are available at The Climbing Dutchman and Risk Online.



In any event, you were right to ask Dirk regarding your request that he remove this photo. The current SP policy is that photos can only be deleted by the submitter (if you think a different policy should be in effect, you can post a reply to this thread).



My personal opinion regarding this particular photo is that it is a dramatic and striking photo (even if the quality is only fair) so it would be a shame to lose it. After all, SP isn't a book that can has a limited number of pages. Perhaps the solution would be a compromise similar to the Balmenhorn page: to leave the photo but include/attach a discussion on how realistic it is? What do you think?



Regards,

John

dirkclaessen - Jan 6, 2002 1:43 am - Hasn't voted

Re: Should this photo be replaced ?

Hi Ulli,



I don't see why my picture can confuse people. There are enough pictures available thet are taken from all kinds of different angles. My picture of the Aiguille du Dru shows how impressive and overwhelming this mountain can be experienced. A painting sometimes gives us a better image than a photo can.

My picture stays where it is. I would like to ask you not to put any more pictures on my page without first asking me. OK?



Dirk

UlrichPrinz

UlrichPrinz - Jan 9, 2002 1:23 pm - Hasn't voted

Re: Should this photo be replaced ?

Hi Dirk,



To get this whole ill-faited thread cleared up:

I assure you that I am happy to take any of my

pictures off SP if someone else submits a similar picture of

better quality. Thats why I made my suggestion as an offer

to improve your page.



I don't really understand your aggressive tone: ... "stays where it is" ....

I tried to be polite and help you - I could have made my point just

as clear as your comment is:



This picture is a bad quality scan that was additionally resized wrong

-> poor work, sorry.



But hey, it's your page, and you can decide whatever you want to do with it.



Still I can put any photo I want on any page, including yours

and the quality votes of visitors will decide whether they are

worth staying on the main page.(Unless you detach them intentionally,

which you are free to do.)



I still don't understand why you react this way, especially

after our friendly emailing. Anyway, I hope we'll understand

each other better in the future. I'll stop my additions to this

thread here.



Good luck with your page,

Regards,



Ulli Prinz

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