Yes, however they are often disregarded as such. There is also discussion about where do they "end" in the south. I did not want to go that deep into this kind of geological discussion as it is not the main focus of the site, but thanks for the addition.
Few words would be also welcome to raise the issue - controversed or not - of what some call the "Serbian Carpathians". Karpaterna is the guy for that !
"beyond the Danube" north or south ? :)
North => the unsignificant rock on the other shore in Austria, which the locals call proudly the "Austrian Carpathians"
South => there is a famous national park in Serbia called Banat. Worth being mentionned, even considering it doesn't make the unanimity ! (you've mentioned Romanian Banat but Serbian not)
However, Banat is strictly north of the Danube, and is actually not the name of the mountains but a much broader area, including parts of the Pannonian Great Plain. The mountains of Banat are in the part which belongs to Romania now:
North : Hundsheimer Berge
http://www.turistickamapa.sk/?x=16.93809&y=48.13248
South : yes, ?erdap (or Djerdap), I mixed the name.
The page you found is probably the one I once watched, but I don't recognize it at all...
North: Yes, I am aware of the area (also called as Hainburger Berge, but not "Austrian Carpathians"). The question is that whether we shall talk about it in more detail or not. As you mentioned, it's an unsignificant block. The only noteworthy thing about it is that it's located on the other side of the Danube - otherwise it would be just the southern end of the Little Carpathians. Perhaps just mentioning the name in those brackets Jacek cited would do.
South: As for Djerdap NP in the strict sense, it should be rather noted as such on a page dealing with NP-s of SE Europe. As for the whole group of those mountains south from the Iron Gate, I'd welcome further information. Right now the best I could find is Wiki, which is generally considered as a weak source needing reassurement.
The Austrian Carpathians, despite being an upland rather than real mountains, also boast fine scenery, plus interesting views of the Alps.:)
Let's not forget the Visegrad Mts in Hungary.:))
The mts of Banat and those of the N chunk of Eastern Serbia's can be seen as two halves of the same mtn group. In geologic terms, they form one block cut by the gorge of the Danube. As far as I can remember, once you, Eric, compared it to the Pieniny split by the Dunajec River, and you were right. In fact, there are three river options for the SW end of the Carpathians:
1 The Danube.
2 The Velika Morava and Crni Timok rivers in Serbia.
3 The Upper Timis (Temes) and the Mehadica rivers in Romania.
Thanks very much for your query, Eric, you're right - those Serbian "Carpatho-Balkans" ought to be mentioned on a page like this; we're currently working on the changes in the text.
The info has been incorporated at last! It's solely me who's to be blamed for taking so long time, Jacek prepared the text much earlier. Sorry guys, sometimes I need way much time to chew things :)
They're there and they're not there :) - The current link points to Velky Choc, because when I first compiled the links, the area did not have a page, only the mountain. Since then you've added the area, and I forgot to take note of that. Will be corrected soon!
Thanks for your question Eric. Although the term "crystalline" doesn't normally refer to limestone, most of the Carpathian limestone does occur within/around the crystalline (granite/gneiss) blocks (more info in the "Geology and Physiography" chapter), including some of your/our favourite areas, such as the Tatry Bielskie, or Vratna-Rozsutec in the Mala Fatra. We have listed the most interesting limestone areas, including your Chocske Vrchy, below the flysch-crystalline-volcanic tables. (On the maps, they're represented by white triangles.)
As of 15 Feb 2020, a new Cicerone guide is available to the Romanian Carpathians, with the same title as the old one ('The Mountains of Romania') but a different author (me). You can find it here: https://www.cicerone.co.uk/948
It contains 37 routes and covers all the major and many lesser mountain ranges of Romania. Happy hiking!
aiwa - Feb 26, 2008 5:46 pm - Voted 9/10
LocationGeologically some parts of inner and outer western carpathians belongs to Austria
peterbud - Feb 28, 2008 9:22 am - Hasn't voted
Re: LocationYes, however they are often disregarded as such. There is also discussion about where do they "end" in the south. I did not want to go that deep into this kind of geological discussion as it is not the main focus of the site, but thanks for the addition.
visentin - Sep 30, 2009 4:16 pm - Voted 10/10
Re: LocationFew words would be also welcome to raise the issue - controversed or not - of what some call the "Serbian Carpathians". Karpaterna is the guy for that !
yatsek - Oct 1, 2009 7:49 am - Voted 10/10
Re: LocationThe FEW words :) are in the first paragraph:
"in geologic terms the Carpathians extend a bit beyond the Danube"
visentin - Oct 1, 2009 9:10 am - Voted 10/10
Re: Location"beyond the Danube" north or south ? :)
North => the unsignificant rock on the other shore in Austria, which the locals call proudly the "Austrian Carpathians"
South => there is a famous national park in Serbia called Banat. Worth being mentionned, even considering it doesn't make the unanimity ! (you've mentioned Romanian Banat but Serbian not)
peterbud - Oct 1, 2009 11:13 am - Hasn't voted
Re: LocationNorth:
Can you give some references? If you google "Österreichische Karpaten", the results will be anything but convincing.
South:
No trace of "Banat National Park", either (should be "Nacionalni Park Banat"). What you might be talking of is NP Derdap:
http://www.npdjerdap.org.
However, Banat is strictly north of the Danube, and is actually not the name of the mountains but a much broader area, including parts of the Pannonian Great Plain. The mountains of Banat are in the part which belongs to Romania now:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Banat_map.svg
visentin - Oct 1, 2009 1:19 pm - Voted 10/10
Re: LocationNorth : Hundsheimer Berge
http://www.turistickamapa.sk/?x=16.93809&y=48.13248
South : yes, ?erdap (or Djerdap), I mixed the name.
The page you found is probably the one I once watched, but I don't recognize it at all...
peterbud - Oct 1, 2009 5:55 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: LocationNorth: Yes, I am aware of the area (also called as Hainburger Berge, but not "Austrian Carpathians"). The question is that whether we shall talk about it in more detail or not. As you mentioned, it's an unsignificant block. The only noteworthy thing about it is that it's located on the other side of the Danube - otherwise it would be just the southern end of the Little Carpathians. Perhaps just mentioning the name in those brackets Jacek cited would do.
South: As for Djerdap NP in the strict sense, it should be rather noted as such on a page dealing with NP-s of SE Europe. As for the whole group of those mountains south from the Iron Gate, I'd welcome further information. Right now the best I could find is Wiki, which is generally considered as a weak source needing reassurement.
yatsek - Oct 1, 2009 8:37 pm - Voted 10/10
Re: Beyond the Danube?The Austrian Carpathians, despite being an upland rather than real mountains, also boast fine scenery, plus interesting views of the Alps.:)
Let's not forget the Visegrad Mts in Hungary.:))
The mts of Banat and those of the N chunk of Eastern Serbia's can be seen as two halves of the same mtn group. In geologic terms, they form one block cut by the gorge of the Danube. As far as I can remember, once you, Eric, compared it to the Pieniny split by the Dunajec River, and you were right. In fact, there are three river options for the SW end of the Carpathians:
1 The Danube.
2 The Velika Morava and Crni Timok rivers in Serbia.
3 The Upper Timis (Temes) and the Mehadica rivers in Romania.
yatsek - Oct 3, 2009 7:23 am - Voted 10/10
Re: SerbianThanks very much for your query, Eric, you're right - those Serbian "Carpatho-Balkans" ought to be mentioned on a page like this; we're currently working on the changes in the text.
peterbud - Jan 13, 2010 9:10 am - Hasn't voted
Re: SerbianThe info has been incorporated at last! It's solely me who's to be blamed for taking so long time, Jacek prepared the text much earlier. Sorry guys, sometimes I need way much time to chew things :)
visentin - Sep 30, 2009 4:09 pm - Voted 10/10
where are my...Cho?ské Vrchy in your diagram ? :(
peterbud - Sep 30, 2009 5:19 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: where are my...They're there and they're not there :) - The current link points to Velky Choc, because when I first compiled the links, the area did not have a page, only the mountain. Since then you've added the area, and I forgot to take note of that. Will be corrected soon!
peterbud - Sep 30, 2009 5:33 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: where are my...Corrected.
visentin - Oct 1, 2009 3:02 am - Voted 10/10
Re: where are my...Thanks ! But I meant, in the Crystalline belt table. Perhaps to small to have its place ?
yatsek - Oct 1, 2009 6:21 am - Voted 10/10
Re: where are my...Thanks for your question Eric. Although the term "crystalline" doesn't normally refer to limestone, most of the Carpathian limestone does occur within/around the crystalline (granite/gneiss) blocks (more info in the "Geology and Physiography" chapter), including some of your/our favourite areas, such as the Tatry Bielskie, or Vratna-Rozsutec in the Mala Fatra. We have listed the most interesting limestone areas, including your Chocske Vrchy, below the flysch-crystalline-volcanic tables. (On the maps, they're represented by white triangles.)
roamaniac - Feb 25, 2020 6:04 am - Hasn't voted
New Cicerone guide to the Romanian CarpathiansAs of 15 Feb 2020, a new Cicerone guide is available to the Romanian Carpathians, with the same title as the old one ('The Mountains of Romania') but a different author (me). You can find it here: https://www.cicerone.co.uk/948
It contains 37 routes and covers all the major and many lesser mountain ranges of Romania. Happy hiking!
peterbud - Feb 26, 2020 10:20 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: New Cicerone guide to the Romanian CarpathiansThanks for the update and congrats on the book! The book info section has been refreshed with the changes. Peter