Right on, more like $.80 cents if the page is $1.00 :D.
Okay I will find the German system too, though I hadn't heard of it. I'll work on that tomorrow afternoon - in the morning is a ski tour :))
Great page. Here is another source you can leverage from. It includes a nice table with various other systems. It'a PDF file from the AAC: International Grade Comparison Chart
This is really helpful, I have always been able to understand the Yosemite decimal system, but the others were a bit of an enigma to me. This is a great reference page, thanks a lot!
I've found here (http://www.theuiaa.org/guidebook_standards.html - left and below) that there is no grades II+ and III- for the UIAA. I think that you have included them in your table for comparing with the Yosemite grades but I thought I had to say you.
for 2° UIAA - maybe better to explain that 3 point climbing means that one can move only one hand or one foot a time so : 3 fixed point climbing
... somebody intended it as "using" one hand :)
I look at some European mountains sometimes and always pull my hair out trying to figure out the difficulty :-). Kind of funny since I am from Europe but only know the US system.
You might be interested to know that contributors to camptocamp.org published an article explaining the alpine grade. I just translated it to english: http://www.camptocamp.org/articles/188413/en
I was going to give you compliments on what a complete and effective set of comparisons you've made in the rating charts, giving real-world examples of how the confusing grade matrices apply to actual locations and climbs, but then I noticed that you'd totally missed out on the most important grading system of all!
Gentlemen, you've both forgotten your Washington roots! How can I compliment this page on its thoroughness when you have not included the dreaded bushwhack grading system? The horror! You, sirs, are slackers, clearly not worthy of my 10/10 vote. Harumph!
Always wondered why so many systems, guess we need world wide simplification. since modern mountaineering began in Europe, I give their effluent ways the nod....
Gret article, thanks for putting it together 10/10
mvs - Feb 18, 2006 11:03 pm - Hasn't voted
thanks FredRight on, more like $.80 cents if the page is $1.00 :D.
Okay I will find the German system too, though I hadn't heard of it. I'll work on that tomorrow afternoon - in the morning is a ski tour :))
Nelson - Feb 20, 2006 4:07 pm - Voted 10/10
Another SourceGreat page. Here is another source you can leverage from. It includes a nice table with various other systems. It'a PDF file from the AAC:
International Grade Comparison Chart
mvs - Mar 4, 2006 8:20 pm - Hasn't voted
Finally doneThanks Nelson it looks like a good source! I finally finished the Alpine Grade section. Let's all go climb an ED4 now :-)
Sebastian Hamm - Aug 15, 2007 2:30 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Finally doneAfter ED follows ABO = "abominable"
for example: Petit Dru - Harlin/Robbins-Route
JScoles - Apr 7, 2006 8:34 pm - Voted 10/10
NiceOne of the best I have seen for a while. There was a realy good german one (in german of course and long out of print) which did much the same job
mvs - Apr 11, 2006 7:29 am - Hasn't voted
Re: NiceThank you! Hey, your profile is very interesting. I'll have to hit you up for some good climb ideas in the alps this summer.
WoundedKnee - Jul 14, 2006 12:13 pm - Voted 10/10
Very helpfuland well done.
jordansahls - Oct 2, 2006 9:03 pm - Voted 10/10
Wish I had seen this earlier!This is really helpful, I have always been able to understand the Yosemite decimal system, but the others were a bit of an enigma to me. This is a great reference page, thanks a lot!
mvs - Oct 4, 2006 1:19 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Wish I had seen this earlier!Cool, glad it's been useful Jordan!
Erik Beeler - Dec 20, 2006 6:10 pm - Voted 10/10
Thanks forputting this up. Perhaps you could add the Water Ice (WI) and Alpine Ice(AI) grades here too?
mvs - Dec 21, 2006 5:00 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Thanks forIt's a good idea, I will do that when I return from vacation, thx!
Diego Sahagún - Aug 21, 2008 6:31 am - Hasn't voted
Grades II+ and III-mvs,
I've found here (http://www.theuiaa.org/guidebook_standards.html - left and below) that there is no grades II+ and III- for the UIAA. I think that you have included them in your table for comparing with the Yosemite grades but I thought I had to say you.
Thanks
mvs - Aug 22, 2008 7:47 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Grades II+ and III-Nice, good site. I removed those two grades, especially since I had no comments for them anyway. Thx again, all the best!
Gabriele Roth - Aug 21, 2008 8:31 am - Voted 10/10
Real 3-point climbingfor 2° UIAA - maybe better to explain that 3 point climbing means that one can move only one hand or one foot a time so : 3 fixed point climbing
... somebody intended it as "using" one hand :)
mvs - Aug 22, 2008 7:46 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Real 3-point climbingThanks Gabriele, I added some explanatory text there.
Luciano136 - Jun 5, 2009 6:25 pm - Voted 10/10
Great page!I look at some European mountains sometimes and always pull my hair out trying to figure out the difficulty :-). Kind of funny since I am from Europe but only know the US system.
FabienenCordoba - Nov 8, 2009 6:46 am - Hasn't voted
The alpine grade explainedHi everyone,
You might be interested to know that contributors to camptocamp.org published an article explaining the alpine grade. I just translated it to english: http://www.camptocamp.org/articles/188413/en
TimmyC - Sep 4, 2012 1:51 pm - Voted 10/10
And to think...I was going to give you compliments on what a complete and effective set of comparisons you've made in the rating charts, giving real-world examples of how the confusing grade matrices apply to actual locations and climbs, but then I noticed that you'd totally missed out on the most important grading system of all!
Gentlemen, you've both forgotten your Washington roots! How can I compliment this page on its thoroughness when you have not included the dreaded bushwhack grading system? The horror! You, sirs, are slackers, clearly not worthy of my 10/10 vote. Harumph!
mvs - Sep 4, 2012 5:44 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: And to think...Har! As Beckey said once of Washington's brushiest (and hardest) mountain climbs, "too many Green Spirits." :D
JoelSkok - Mar 18, 2013 2:33 pm - Voted 10/10
So usefulAlways wondered why so many systems, guess we need world wide simplification. since modern mountaineering began in Europe, I give their effluent ways the nod....
Gret article, thanks for putting it together 10/10