Gangolf, you are mentioning the two normal, summer ascents by marked paths. Perhaps you'd make a chapter, named 'Routes Overview' and copy those descriptions there. In addition, for the sake of completeness, you might mention also that from the summit of Lipnica two alpinistic ski tours (hard!) go:
1. Labirint, IV+, details S5 (Lipnica, SE face - Spikova škrbina)
2. Lipni graben, IV+, one passage S6.
I guess that skiing by the normal route down in Krnica is also possible, but unattractive - there are rarely good snow conditions on all slopes, and there's a short ferrata section. And secondly, people also do skiing through Kacji graben, which belongs of course to Spik, but can be equally attributed to Lipnica. From Spik, skiing through Kacji graben is rated as an alpinistic ski tour, III- degree, close to where the summer route goes.
Cheers!
Vid
Gangolf Haub - Nov 14, 2007 2:29 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Alpinistic skiing
I will add something - I already though that there might be ski tours. On the other hand I'm very busy at work (!!!) so I don't know when I'll manage to do it.
I changed the page. I also put up a preliminary route overview picture. Can you indicate where the other two routes run? Is Lipni graben the couloir between the two marked routes?
From the description, it's where you wouldn't expect. When you were descending from the summit of Lipnica towards the ferrata section, you should look down towards the left. There's a steep, rugged face towards Ponce and the notch between Spik and Mala Ponca (Spikova skrbina). I would never expect there's a passage for skiing (it must be hard and exposed), so I was never looking down there with the eyes of a skier. But the description is clear.
Vid Pogachnik - Nov 13, 2007 5:07 pm - Voted 10/10
Alpinistic skiingGangolf, you are mentioning the two normal, summer ascents by marked paths. Perhaps you'd make a chapter, named 'Routes Overview' and copy those descriptions there. In addition, for the sake of completeness, you might mention also that from the summit of Lipnica two alpinistic ski tours (hard!) go:
1. Labirint, IV+, details S5 (Lipnica, SE face - Spikova škrbina)
2. Lipni graben, IV+, one passage S6.
I guess that skiing by the normal route down in Krnica is also possible, but unattractive - there are rarely good snow conditions on all slopes, and there's a short ferrata section. And secondly, people also do skiing through Kacji graben, which belongs of course to Spik, but can be equally attributed to Lipnica. From Spik, skiing through Kacji graben is rated as an alpinistic ski tour, III- degree, close to where the summer route goes.
Cheers!
Vid
Gangolf Haub - Nov 14, 2007 2:29 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Alpinistic skiingI will add something - I already though that there might be ski tours. On the other hand I'm very busy at work (!!!) so I don't know when I'll manage to do it.
Gangolf Haub - Nov 14, 2007 3:12 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Alpinistic skiingI changed the page. I also put up a preliminary route overview picture. Can you indicate where the other two routes run? Is Lipni graben the couloir between the two marked routes?
Gangolf Haub - Nov 14, 2007 3:13 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Alpinistic skiingOops - I should look at my map before asking silly questions. I fould Lipni graben and I was right.
Vid Pogachnik - Nov 14, 2007 4:15 pm - Voted 10/10
Re: Alpinistic skiingYes, you are right and you did a great job. Thanks!
Now let's delete these comments.
Gangolf Haub - Nov 14, 2007 4:39 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Alpinistic skiingbut do you know where labyrint runs?
Vid Pogachnik - Nov 14, 2007 5:20 pm - Voted 10/10
Re: Alpinistic skiingFrom the description, it's where you wouldn't expect. When you were descending from the summit of Lipnica towards the ferrata section, you should look down towards the left. There's a steep, rugged face towards Ponce and the notch between Spik and Mala Ponca (Spikova skrbina). I would never expect there's a passage for skiing (it must be hard and exposed), so I was never looking down there with the eyes of a skier. But the description is clear.