It looks like this will be a very nice addition to SP. I traveled
through the Philmont ranch on my way from Colorado to Taos and I was surprised at how nice the area was. Having heard about Philmont from my brother who spent some time there, I was sorry I didn't have more time to explore. On Wheeler Peak, I met 5 team members (staff) from Philmont who were using their day off to climb New Mexico's highest peak and if I remember correctly, one of the staff members was from Temecula (where my sister lives).
Thanks! I had tried to start it awhile back but couldn't find the time. It is an amazing area, different and unique from other places. Oh cool! I hope to be doing alot of that next year (climbing and hiking on the days off) while I staff there. Oh really? thats cool. Cheers!
When I was last there at the training center they wouldn't let the participants climb the Tooth--but Uracca Mesa was open. I've seen that view from Touch-Me-Not--Baldy looks oh-so-close, doesn't it? Anyway, don't overlook signing the climbing log--you'll have to scroll down near the bottom of the Philmont page to the "Have You Been to Philmont?" section for a link. --mark d.
Each year, thousands of Scouts will be disappointed to not succeed in securing a slot to trek Philmont. With 3,000 folks on treks on any given summer day, as well as fall and winter programs, I'm not certain how they could possibly manage a higher usage rate. That said, there are certain programs that I've heard of that are open to large donors to the Boy Scouts of America. Either that, or become a volunteer and go with a local troop or council contingent. --mark d.
In reality the privatization is the cause for the high usage. The area would be much less impacted and easier for anyone to enjoy sans the scout ranch. Just my opinion...
That's a good point; I think you're right. However, because of that privatization many young men will be exposed to the outdoors in a way that would never have happened had Philmont not existed. For many, even some who state it here on SP, this is the start of a long love with the wilderness. Some even describe Philmont as a life-altering experience. I think the good that comes from that offsets the fact that 137,000 acres of the U.S. is limited to registered Scouts and Scouters on official itineraries. BTW, John, you have some remarkably good photographs. Thanks very much for sharing them! --mark d.
Well done, guys. While I have never been to Philmont, I have heard great things about the place. I have always regretted my son losing interest in the Scouts. Baseball, guitar and snowboarding have taken their place, so I can't complain.
Climb On!
Patrick
Thanks! It is a really amazing place. Going to Philmont definitely helped me take more of an interest in hiking and climbing. Thanks for your comments!
I made a few trips to Philmont when I was a Scout. I can't wait to go back with my son (He just turned 3, still a long ways off)! Thanks for putting the work into this page.
In the body of your nice page, you have the 1942 bomber crash listed as being 2 eagle scouts... one was an eagle scout the other was perhaps a Star scout.
Later you list the bar S as the cattle brand, it is the horse brand; and the bar PS is listed as the horse brand.
Could you reverse these to correct them?
On Cavalcade we had a great adventure this summer 2019 on horses on a northern route. We had scouts from Egypt, Berlin, and Lincoln, NE with us on our crew. Cavalcade is a lot of work, as you do some feeding, curry horses, saddle them, etc. I also wonder if anyone has information about the grave at Miranda camp where the white picket fence and wooden cross grave is. Thanks. We heard it is a miner's wife.. just cannot find it in writing anywhere so far.
Dean - Dec 6, 2008 7:29 am - Voted 10/10
Nice startIt looks like this will be a very nice addition to SP. I traveled
through the Philmont ranch on my way from Colorado to Taos and I was surprised at how nice the area was. Having heard about Philmont from my brother who spent some time there, I was sorry I didn't have more time to explore. On Wheeler Peak, I met 5 team members (staff) from Philmont who were using their day off to climb New Mexico's highest peak and if I remember correctly, one of the staff members was from Temecula (where my sister lives).
Alex Wood - Dec 6, 2008 12:53 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Nice startThanks! I had tried to start it awhile back but couldn't find the time. It is an amazing area, different and unique from other places. Oh cool! I hope to be doing alot of that next year (climbing and hiking on the days off) while I staff there. Oh really? thats cool. Cheers!
woodsxc - Dec 20, 2008 1:28 pm - Voted 10/10
PropsGotta rep the BSA. I've never been (too expensive) but everyone I know has loved it. Nice page. Thanks for posting.
Mark Doiron - Dec 21, 2008 1:40 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: PropsThanks, Woodscx. Definitely something every Scout and Scouter needs on their bucket list. --mark d.
Mark Doiron - Dec 21, 2008 9:29 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: MemoriesWhen I was last there at the training center they wouldn't let the participants climb the Tooth--but Uracca Mesa was open. I've seen that view from Touch-Me-Not--Baldy looks oh-so-close, doesn't it? Anyway, don't overlook signing the climbing log--you'll have to scroll down near the bottom of the Philmont page to the "Have You Been to Philmont?" section for a link. --mark d.
John Kirk - Dec 30, 2008 1:41 pm - Voted 10/10
Good InfoI've always been disappointed that this area is private - should be open to everyone without the need for an itinerary...
Mark Doiron - Dec 30, 2008 3:44 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Good InfoEach year, thousands of Scouts will be disappointed to not succeed in securing a slot to trek Philmont. With 3,000 folks on treks on any given summer day, as well as fall and winter programs, I'm not certain how they could possibly manage a higher usage rate. That said, there are certain programs that I've heard of that are open to large donors to the Boy Scouts of America. Either that, or become a volunteer and go with a local troop or council contingent. --mark d.
John Kirk - Dec 30, 2008 6:49 pm - Voted 10/10
Re: Good InfoThanks,
In reality the privatization is the cause for the high usage. The area would be much less impacted and easier for anyone to enjoy sans the scout ranch. Just my opinion...
Mark Doiron - Dec 31, 2008 7:57 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Good InfoThat's a good point; I think you're right. However, because of that privatization many young men will be exposed to the outdoors in a way that would never have happened had Philmont not existed. For many, even some who state it here on SP, this is the start of a long love with the wilderness. Some even describe Philmont as a life-altering experience. I think the good that comes from that offsets the fact that 137,000 acres of the U.S. is limited to registered Scouts and Scouters on official itineraries. BTW, John, you have some remarkably good photographs. Thanks very much for sharing them! --mark d.
shanrickv - Dec 31, 2008 9:50 am - Voted 10/10
Great page!Well done, guys. While I have never been to Philmont, I have heard great things about the place. I have always regretted my son losing interest in the Scouts. Baseball, guitar and snowboarding have taken their place, so I can't complain.
Climb On!
Patrick
Alex Wood - Dec 31, 2008 11:34 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Great page!Thanks! It is a really amazing place. Going to Philmont definitely helped me take more of an interest in hiking and climbing. Thanks for your comments!
nartreb - Jan 5, 2009 5:08 pm - Hasn't voted
history section must gosee copyright thread
Mark Doiron - Jan 6, 2009 8:41 am - Hasn't voted
Re: history section must goI think you're being overly strict in your interpretation of the GFDL license in that thread. Please see my comment there. --mark d.
RyanS - Sep 24, 2009 8:06 pm - Voted 10/10
Nice work, with one suggestionThe third paragraph of your opening section seems redundant. Perhaps consolidate the first and third paragraphs?
Mark Doiron - Sep 25, 2009 8:38 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Nice work, with one suggestionYou're right! I've edited it. Thanks for looking and commenting. --mark d.
Bubba Suess - Sep 30, 2012 5:51 pm - Voted 10/10
Pure NostalgiaI made a few trips to Philmont when I was a Scout. I can't wait to go back with my son (He just turned 3, still a long ways off)! Thanks for putting the work into this page.
mdaberk - Aug 19, 2019 8:27 pm - Hasn't voted
A few small correctionsIn the body of your nice page, you have the 1942 bomber crash listed as being 2 eagle scouts... one was an eagle scout the other was perhaps a Star scout.
Later you list the bar S as the cattle brand, it is the horse brand; and the bar PS is listed as the horse brand.
Could you reverse these to correct them?
On Cavalcade we had a great adventure this summer 2019 on horses on a northern route. We had scouts from Egypt, Berlin, and Lincoln, NE with us on our crew. Cavalcade is a lot of work, as you do some feeding, curry horses, saddle them, etc. I also wonder if anyone has information about the grave at Miranda camp where the white picket fence and wooden cross grave is. Thanks. We heard it is a miner's wife.. just cannot find it in writing anywhere so far.