Dane1 wrote:" I like the Arc'Teryx Gamma LT pant for general "3 season use" - at 11oz, they're less than half the OR Mentors and far more breathable. For colder endeavors, NW Alpine's Fast/Light Pant at 17oz is great. Softshells offer wind resistance for warmth, stretch really well for climbing, and offer enough moisture resistance (snow is fine, rain isn't good for climbing anyway)." so sez luzak

agreed and well said