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Re: Are Photos posted here in Public Domain?

Postby chugach mtn boy » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:10 pm

Hey, I resemble that remark! Most of my photos are point & shoot and all are here solely for informational value--if I get lucky and get a genuinely decent image once in a while, that's just the good fortune of a duffer. But even I like to be asked before someone uses my photos in a publication or on another (non-SP) website, and so far as I know, I always have been.

Tahoe, we enjoy and admire your work, and the site would be pretty drab without contributions from the more skilled photographers. I think nearly everyone in this community respects that these photos remain yours, and the site itself doesn't sell them. I'm not sure what protections you can expect beyond that, though--the only complete safety is not to display them anywhere.
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Re: Are Photos posted here in Public Domain?

Postby Josh Lewis » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:24 am

tahoecedar wrote:And you've been taking photos for a while right? How else would you know the size of mine, and be disappointed that I was posting them smaller than you could use now??? ...so it makes a person not want to share with thieves...and yet, why disappoint the other people by not posting?


I do not appreciate you calling me a thief. :? I did not take any of your photos! (unless you count looking at your photos which any time you look at something it saves it into your browser cache and eventually deletes it automatically). I did not realize the context of what you were saying until you started posting more replies. At first I thought you meant taking pictures of mountains like the ones I actually post here on SummitPost (3,381 to be exact. A handful of them are topo's and a few from other folks with permission).

For those who do not know what TahoeCedar is talking about, I sent her a PM wondering about how her pic sizes were very small. Every now and then I look at pictures in full resolution before voting. The reasoning behind this is to ensure that the quality of the photo is good and not blurry. People will vote on a blurry picture not knowing that the bigger one is of lower quality. :wink: When ever I post photos here on SP I resize it to 1200px (at least for the past several months).

The thread was originally started because someone I know was doing this because he was falsely informed. I started this thread to prove to him that he was told wrong as well as get the hot linking issue figured out.

tahoecedar wrote:They weren't of snowy mountain tops anyway, so who will care...


And that is your choice. We will have to respect that. You own your pics so that's perfectly okay. If I decide to remove all my best pics, I have the right to do so. (BTW I don't plan on doing that)

tahoecedar wrote:And so you have one photo???


I have thousands of photos. After all I am a landscape photographer. :wink: 8)

tahoecedar wrote:Why do you ask? Are you taking photos too?


So are you accusing other people in this thread of stealing photos too? What is this the witch hunt? :P

“It is rare for people to be asked the question which puts them squarely in front of themselves” -Arthur Miller

Need evidence to suggest that I didn't steal them? Well let's get started. Court is now in session. First off you posted your photos in low resolution. The makes it very unappealing to take such a photo. It couldn't even be used for a website banner! But let's just pretend that I only needed a small picture. Okay. Now days Google has a neat tool that searches up similar images. Take one of my pictures for example. As you can see in the link it provides all the results with that particular picture. This makes it very easy to track pics on the web. If you don't believe Google will find them all, I suppose that argument could work. So lets go to more examples. Where would I likely post my content? On my personal websites. My profile has a list of websites that I own or use. They would be the most likely sources of posting my content. Well I could go on and on but you get the idea.

What if I post in private online? Well how silly would that be? Of all the photos on SP why would I specifically target you? So then you have the argument of off line stealing. What could I do off line with low resolution photos? Sell it as a post card? That would then be a step up to the next level of trouble and likelihood of getting caught doing such a thing. I'm by now means a lawyer, but I am a website detective. And I know how to piece together evidence.

Bottom Line. I did not steal any photos!
Tahoecedar, I was a fan of your work and still am. I'm sad to hear because of a misconception that you will no longer be posting nice photos.

For everyone else, I said I was a detective. But watch out for guys like this:

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Re: Are Photos posted here in Public Domain?

Postby lcarreau » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:51 am

TIME FOR ANOTHER SP (POINT and SHOOT?) HILARIOUS COMEDY BREAK .....!

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Throw that darn cat ... TO THE WOLVES ! :!: ...... :lol:
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Re: Are Photos posted here in Public Domain?

Postby lcarreau » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:16 am

I have DA ... AAAAAAA ... QUESTION of all QUESTIONS ..

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Stranger things have happened on SP .... :?
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Re: Are Photos posted here in Public Domain?

Postby Bob Sihler » Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:43 pm

The amount of damage that has been done to this site through drama about photos and photo voting is both vast and incalculable.
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Re: Are Photos posted here in Public Domain?

Postby rgg » Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:58 pm

Please tahoe, would you reconsider ... or at least think about it for a few days?
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Re: Are Photos posted here in Public Domain?

Postby chugach mtn boy » Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:04 pm

Bob Sihler wrote:The amount of damage that has been done to this site through drama about photos and photo voting is both vast and incalculable.

But that's not really the issue, Bob :? . What do you think about what Josh describes in the o.p., not as a matter of legality but as a matter of good practice?
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Re: Are Photos posted here in Public Domain?

Postby Bob Sihler » Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:47 pm

chugach mtn boy wrote:
Bob Sihler wrote:The amount of damage that has been done to this site through drama about photos and photo voting is both vast and incalculable.

But that's not really the issue, Bob :? . What do you think about what Josh describes in the o.p., not as a matter of legality but as a matter of good practice?


But it is the issue, partially. Not voting this time, but over pictures in general. Once again, we have someone getting upset and deleting material, this time over what appears to me to be a misunderstanding of both the site and the Internet in general.

As far as Josh's OP goes, I think it's wise to ask first, especially in cases where there is the possibility of financial gain, but there's nothing to do about it and doesn't seem worth getting upset about. If you hot-link and credit the person rather as opposed to copying the picture and then reposting it as your own, what, really, is the big issue?

Of late, most of my pictures here have been downsized and watermarked through Picasa. The image quality suffers a bit, but the pictures still work fine for their intended purposes here. The watermark is a small deterrent to theft, and the downsizing, while a deterrent to theft as well, is mainly for speed of uploading.

Anyone that terribly worried about material being posted elsewhere, legally or not, should simply not post at all. It's that simple. Understand the Internet for what it is.

Regarding the subplot between Josh and tahoecedar, we have a vague, unsubstantiated accusation of theft and a denial of it, complete with a detailed explanation. Honestly, I am scratching my head at tahoecedar's actions and words because beyond that vague accusation, I cannot figure out what in the world the issue is. She has been very unclear.

Tahoecedar, if you are reading this, it would be enormously helpful if you would clearly explain the problem and listen to some of the others here, including Josh.

Edit: I see tahoecedar has now posted an explanation that tells us things a little more clearly. But I still do not get what brought this on in the first place unless she truly believes that Josh stole her pictures.
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Re: Are Photos posted here in Public Domain?

Postby chugach mtn boy » Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:10 pm

Josh Lewis wrote: Now days Google has a neat tool that searches up similar images. Take one of my pictures for example. As you can see in the link it provides all the results with that particular picture.


I love that Google thinks this picture is very similar to the one you posted :lol: :

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