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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby Josh Lewis » Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:42 am

Nope! Or else I would own more pages that I have previously created. :lol: :wink:
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby Bob Sihler » Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:41 am

When the global PM hits the two-week mark indicated in it, , which would be this upcoming Monday, I'll send to Matt the suggestions listed a few pages back. In the meantime, I'll keep reading this thread in case there's a change in consensus or a great new idea.

What happens then is, of course, up to Matt and how much time he has and how complicated the changes are to implement.

This is just in case anyone is wondering if I've contacted Matt yet.

Thanks again for a [mostly] good discussion.
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby Deltaoperator17 » Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:04 am

Please dont give people authority to change articles and albums.
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby Josh Lewis » Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:26 am

If you read the other 20 pages, you would know that that is not going to happen. 8) :wink:
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby CBakwin » Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:26 pm

Maybe the additions or corrections could be added in a big , long , thread like this one, to each mountain page. That way readers could gage them for what they might be, in case they are just a difference of opinion.
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby rgg » Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:20 pm

CBakwin wrote:Maybe the additions or corrections could be added in a big , long , thread like this one, to each mountain page. That way readers could gage them for what they might be, in case they are just a difference of opinion.


We have to write 22 pages of additions and corrections to each mountain page? Oh boy, we've got our work cut out then!
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby lcarreau » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:32 am

With so many prominent members leaving the Site, it will be (especially) difficult to keep up with all those Corrections/Additions.

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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby Deltaoperator17 » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:00 am

Josh Lewis wrote:If you read the other 20 pages, you would know that that is not going to happen. 8) :wink:

Josh, you should finish High School young man before you tell me what I need to do. Mind your business and stay out of mine. Are we clear?
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby Josh Lewis » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:12 am

I am finished with High School! 8) I better not have a second more of it! My point was that it's obvious that it would not happen to articles, albums, and trip reports. These are often personal writings/ things that don't need extra information (most of the time).
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby lcarreau » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:19 am

For crying out LOUD ...

SOMETIMES, I wish I was back in High School ... :D

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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby sierramtngoat » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:34 am

The only real issue I have with mountain 'ownership' is that a user is allowed to delete it after dependencies have been established; this action causes summit log entries to vanish and creates broken links on list pages. There should be a policy added that once a peak is either on a list, has a route, or a summit log has been signed (any dependency really), then the owner should not be able to delete the mountain entirely; perhaps deleting his content would be acceptable, but not to the extent that the record for the peak has been deleted. 'delete my page' (or whatever the feature is) could wipe the page and set the peak to an 'up for grabs' status. Perhaps there can be a link users can click on that will show orphaned peaks? Also, if it is possible to adopt a peak, a snapshot should be made at the moment of adoption so that the peak can be restored to something if the new owner decides to be malicious and delete the peak that he/she adopted.
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby mrchad9 » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:47 am

sierramtngoat wrote:The only real issue I have with mountain 'ownership' is that a user is allowed to delete it after dependencies have been established; this action causes summit log entries to vanish and creates broken links on list pages. There should be a policy added that once a peak is either on a list, has a route, or a summit log has been signed (any dependency really), then the owner should not be able to delete the mountain entirely; perhaps deleting his content would be acceptable, but not to the extent that the record for the peak has been deleted. 'delete my page' (or whatever the feature is) could wipe the page and set the peak to an 'up for grabs' status. Perhaps there can be a link users can click on that will show orphaned peaks? Also, if it is possible to adopt a peak, a snapshot should be made at the moment of adoption so that the peak can be restored to something if the new owner decides to be malicious and delete the peak that he/she adopted.

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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby mvs » Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:13 am

I've found the direction of this thread depressing for the last 6 pages or so, at least I was out climbing. :D But I have two comments:

What I was getting at with my "asinine" (thanks mrchad9) comment about it being impossible to change voting behavior was that for years we've complained about the way people vote. None of these complaints change things one bit. We've essentially got a "thumbs up/thumbs down" system, despite numerous essays from individual members describing their nuanced voting patterns. I think the behavior is somehow emergent in the system, possibly because it's hard to tell the relationship between a vote and the page score. Whatever. I hoped this thread wouldn't become another place to chew that old bone.

I agree with sierramtngoats comment and add a +1 to mrchad9's +9 (thanks again mrchad9, and this time I don't mean it sarcastically). Nodes with children should remain at least as stubs, with a comment begging for adoption, etc. I hope this idea can make it into a submission to Matt, because it does strengthen the case for would-be contributors that their objects will remain in the context they placed them and not unattached or otherwise orphaned.
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Re: Discussion: Collaboration, Edit/Submit Changes

Postby Marmaduke » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:07 am

There has been so much discussed and in reading these posts, I think that in reality you will have to institute the changes Bob that you feel are needed (and the rest of you) but once the changes are completed....... unexpected issues will pop up and some tweaking will have to be done to iron it all out. I think there is just too much to expect to get this done and and have it all fit nicely.
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