by ExcitableBoy » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:12 pm
by ExcitableBoy » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:17 pm
by mistdaemon » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:31 pm
Vitaliy M. wrote:please enlighten us about all the advantages. Also let us know how much does one weight and how much warmer it makes you?
by mistdaemon » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:36 pm
ExcitableBoy wrote:Loogok/mistdaemon:
What big Alaskan routes have you climbed using this amazing VBL sleeping bag system? Infinite Spur? Moonflower Buttress? ISIS Face? Please, post up.
by ExcitableBoy » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:09 pm
mistdaemon wrote:...you really don't know much about VB, even though you have used VB socks and you don't really want to admit that you don't know what you are talking about, so you want to try to deflect the real issue. Have you ever used a VBL sleeping bag? Do you actually know anyone who has?
Please tell me what your friends know about VB instead.
by mistdaemon » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:12 pm
ExcitableBoy wrote:Read: "I haven't climbed sh#t but I read a lot of catalogues." Talk - Action = 0. And what's with the multiple avatar's?
Go climb something.
by lopgok » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:37 pm
ExcitableBoy wrote:Loogok/mistdaemon:
What big Alaskan routes have you climbed using this amazing VBL sleeping bag system? Infinite Spur? Moonflower Buttress? ISIS Face? Please, post up.
by ExcitableBoy » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:49 pm
mistdaemon wrote:Typical. You don't know a thing about VB, so you try to play games and try to make the discussion about other things and when I don't play your stupid game, you don't like it and start with attacks.
by mistdaemon » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:24 pm
ExcitableBoy wrote:mistdaemon wrote:Typical. You don't know a thing about VB, so you try to play games and try to make the discussion about other things and when I don't play your stupid game, you don't like it and start with attacks.
I ask again, what big, awesome Alaksan Range routes have you climbed with your amazing sleeping bag VBL?
by ExcitableBoy » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:32 pm
mistdaemon wrote:Alaksan Range? I bet you have not done any routes in the Alaksan Range yourself. Sorry, could not resist .
What experience do you have with VBL? What experience do your friends have with VBL sleeping bags?
by ExcitableBoy » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:34 pm
by ExcitableBoy » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:35 pm
lopgok wrote:Google is your friend:
http://www.integraldesigns.com/product_ ... N=78268781
by mistdaemon » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:37 pm
ExcitableBoy wrote:Sleeping bag VBL proponents claim they add as much as 10 degrees to the sleeping system. But first you have to take all your clothes off, except for perhaps a light base layer.
<personal anecdote>While descending a route on the South side of Mt Hunder, we ran into a storm in which the temperature dropped to -20 at night according to our thermometer. My bag was rated to +15 degrees and I had a single, 3/4 length, regular Ridge Rest pad inside an prototype MH single wall tent. With all my clothes on and my dowbn parka draped over myt bag I was pretty comofortable. That means my clothing system that I had to have anyway added in the neighborhood of 35 degress of comfort to my light sleeping bag. With a VBL the comfort rating would have been perhaps +5 at best. Where is the advantage in that? </personal anecdote>
by mistdaemon » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:42 pm
ExcitableBoy wrote:BTW, I never attacked anyone, unless asking to validate their opinions with real world experience is an attack. Grow a pair. (That was an example of an attack).
by lopgok » Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:44 pm
ExcitableBoy wrote:<personal anecdote>While descending a route on the South side of Mt Hunder, we ran into a storm in which the temperature dropped to -20 at night according to our thermometer. My bag was rated to +15 degrees and I had a single, 3/4 length, regular Ridge Rest pad inside a prototype MH single wall tent. With all my clothes on and my down parka draped over myt bag I was pretty comofortable. That means my clothing system that I had to have anyway added in the neighborhood of 35 degress of comfort to my light sleeping bag. With a VBL the comfort rating would have been perhaps +5 at best. Where is the advantage in that? </personal anecdote>
As far as my personal experience goes with VBLs is I wear them everytime I wear plastic boots. They don't add significant warmth, I wear them to keep my insulation socks dry when worn between a light liner sock. The amount of work it takes to prevent trench foot with this arrangement is significant.
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