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Re: New Forums?

Postby butitsadryheat » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:17 pm

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Re: New Forums?

Postby Bob Sihler » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:28 pm

Fletch wrote:So no real suprises here, but it does look like places like the midwest are heavy in people and light in mountains and vice versa for places like the Rockies. Either way though it looks like you can make a case to divide up the CA forum.


Thanks for doing that legwork; it's both helpful and interesting.

Right now, if I do anything, I'll separate Utah.

I really, really, really don't want to split California, but if there were a big demand for it, I would consider it. It would be a ton of work sorting existing threads, especially the Sierra ones. It would almost make more sense to split the Sierra Nevada from the rest of CA, but even that could be problematic or at least tedious.
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Re: New Forums?

Postby Bob Sihler » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:33 pm

Arthur Digbee wrote:On a more serious note, the real question is: what's the advantage of sorting into boards? Is it to keep people within socializing distance together? (Then split N/S CA by all means, but why not have a Chicago Board, a DC Board, an Atlanta Board, and so on.) Is each board a driving radius board? The LA people drive to the Sierras, so keep CA together.

And in either case the Midwest board is too big. Those of us in the Great Lakes mostly recreate in the Great Lakes on weekends; when we go to Texas or the Dakotas (also Midwest board) for big trips we might also go to Northern Rockies or Colorado.

I know the Midwest board is often quiet. But so is Africa and some other international boards. It doesn't cost anything to add a board.


I think the advantage of having more specific boards is to help people find information more easily, not to group populations. Although I live in the East, I rarely look at that board, but I check the Northern Rockies frequently.

To me, the driving reason to split should be traffic. So while I see the sense in splitting the Midwest and the East, I don't see that the traffic justifies the additional sorting. It's not to say that it won't happen; this thread is about finding out if there's much interest in these ideas at all. No, it doesn't cost anything to add a board, but there can be a fine line between variety and clutter, and I want to avoid going overboard, ha ha.
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Re: New Forums?

Postby butitsadryheat » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:16 pm

Bob Sihler wrote:especially the Sierra ones.


You mean the ones about the Sierras? :P
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Re: New Forums?

Postby MarkDidier » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:54 pm

Bob Sihler wrote:I think the advantage of having more specific boards is to help people find information more easily, not to group populations. Although I live in the East, I rarely look at that board, but I check the Northern Rockies frequently.

To me, the driving reason to split should be traffic. So while I see the sense in splitting the Midwest and the East, I don't see that the traffic justifies the additional sorting. It's not to say that it won't happen; this thread is about finding out if there's much interest in these ideas at all. No, it doesn't cost anything to add a board, but there can be a fine line between variety and clutter, and I want to avoid going overboard, ha ha.


Bob - My original post on separating the East had more to do with finding information than on traffic. From an eastern standpoint it seems that a good many posts are either about northern New England or the southern Appalachians - not a lot in between. Again, two geographically totally separate areas. When I go to the eastern forum it is usually for info on the latter, not the former.

If it is going to be a lot of work to separate them then I would agree to just leave well enough alone. Most of us know where to go searching for info, or (more imporatantly sometimes) who to PM :wink: .
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Re: New Forums?

Postby Bubba Suess » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:10 am

I say leave California whole but create a separate forum for "Baldy Conditions".

Not that this is relevant to splitting any of the forums up or not, but I really, really think that Arkansas does not belong in the Midwest forum. It has more to do with southeast than it does the Midwest. I know it share the Ozarks with a nominally Midwestern state (Missouri), but still, it is totally out of place in that forum.
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Re: New Forums?

Postby Kiefer » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:27 am

Since I haven't seen anyone suggest it and there's usually a lot of questions or curiosity regarding this time of year,
how about a seperate forum regarding winter climbing and all that it includes?
Between all 4 seasons, winter really is its own thing; seperate clothing, seperate hiking/climbing rules,
seperate food/gear issues, seperate safety concerns etc.

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Re: New Forums?

Postby Buz Groshong » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:19 pm

Bob Sihler wrote:
Fletch wrote:So no real suprises here, but it does look like places like the midwest are heavy in people and light in mountains and vice versa for places like the Rockies. Either way though it looks like you can make a case to divide up the CA forum.


Thanks for doing that legwork; it's both helpful and interesting.

Right now, if I do anything, I'll separate Utah.

I really, really, really don't want to split California, but if there were a big demand for it, I would consider it. It would be a ton of work sorting existing threads, especially the Sierra ones. It would almost make more sense to split the Sierra Nevada from the rest of CA, but even that could be problematic or at least tedious.


I doubt I'm the only one, but I go to the Southwest Board from time to time mostly to look at stuff about southern Utah. I also look at stuff about AZ when I'm there. To me splitting out Utah doesn't make sense - what would make sense (but not really) would be to split off northern Utah and add it to the Rockies. As Fletch points out, you can't really go by where people live - the vast majority of those who post on the South America board don't live there.
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Re: New Forums?

Postby ZeeJay » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:35 pm

My vote would be to split out Utah. I live in Utah and almost never travel anyplace else, so being lumped in with Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and especially Texas, does nothing for me. But, I can see how non Utahns might like southern Utah lumped with Arizona and New Mexico, but I for one would not.
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Re: New Forums?

Postby WouterB » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:45 pm

I'd love to see a gear selling section for Europe. I'm always looking for stuff, but every single time I click on gear I need, it's in the US. An extra column in the title displaying the sellers location would do too!
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Re: New Forums?

Postby JasonH » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:49 pm

WouterB wrote:I'd love to see a gear selling section for Europe. I'm always looking for stuff, but every single time I click on gear I need, it's in the US. An extra column in the title displaying the sellers location would do too!


Sounds like your asking for a forum with nothing in it. :P
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Re: New Forums?

Postby Marmaduke » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:51 pm

Could you add a "totally confused" board for those SPers like me?
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Re: New Forums?

Postby lcarreau » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:20 pm

ZeeJay wrote:My vote would be to split out Utah. I live in Utah and almost never travel anyplace else, so being lumped in with Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, and especially Texas, does nothing for me. But, I can see how non Utahns might like southern Utah lumped with Arizona and New Mexico, but I for one would not.


I travel to Utah and Nevada quite frequently. My vote would be to split Utah into a Northwest part and a Southeast part.

The southeast portion could remain with the Southwest, while the northwest portion should belong
with the Rocky Mountain states.

In my opinion, it wouldn't be GOOD to divide up the Colorado Plateau, except for the Colorado piece that belongs to Colorado anyway. The rest should belong to the Southwest forum.

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Re: New Forums?

Postby lcarreau » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:36 pm

Fletch wrote:Based on the current set up North America has the following "subdivisions:


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Re: New Forums?

Postby Clark_Griswold » Sat Jan 22, 2011 4:05 pm

I agree with breaking Utah out of the SW Forum. I think it could either have it's own forum, or be regrouped with Colorado since the two states are very similar. I support this for practical reasons, and not just my personal belief that Utah is not really "south western". I frequently see new posts in the SW forum, but when I go look it is always the same few people posting on the same Utah related Ice, avalanche and mountaineering threads. That is good for them, but I feel when that happens, it is time for them to get their own forum. Arizona, New Mexico and Texas are hardly ever posted on these days, in the SW forum. I don't agree about the negatives of splitting the plateau. Most people posting in the SW forum never mention it anyway. The Utah topics look like they are about mountains and conditions which are close to the urban areas near Salt Lake City.

Daria could probably get her own sub-forum in drivel, since a similar situation has emerged down there, but that is a different matter.
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