by phydeux » Sat Apr 17, 2010 2:35 pm
by DanTheMan » Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:10 pm
Diego Sahagún wrote:DanTheMan wrote:Not having a pair of lightweight rain pants, I decided to put on OR Mentor Goretex pants to commute by bicycle in the rain. When I got to work about 15 minutes later I had a big wet spot on each knee. I don't think it was sweat, because everywhere else was dry. If the water repellent coating wears off does the Goretex lose it's waterproofness? For the price of these pants, and their intended use, I would have hoped they could keep me dry for 15 minutes in the rain.
What if you use your pants when mountaineering instead of cycling
http://www.outdoorresearch.com/site/m_s ... pants.html
http://www.gore-tex.com/remote/Satellit ... /pro-shell
by Diego Sahagún » Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:52 am
phydeux wrote:If you're riding a bicycle, why not use fenders and a rain cape? I'd never wear Gortex pants and parka for riding in the rain. Look online and you'll find fenders for any type of bicycle you might own. And the same online store should also sell rain capes; they look something like a poncho. but have attachments points for your hands so you can spead it out and have some ventilation. A poncho also works well.
by rickford » Sun Apr 18, 2010 3:40 pm
liferequiresair wrote:GoreTex is a necessary evil. Seeing how it's next to impossible to find waterproof footwear without it, it does have some redeemable value. I did some product testing for GoreTex a few years ago on a NOLS course in Alaska. It is my opinion that the fabric reaches a sort of saturation point. Up to a point, it is waterproof and amazing, but after say, five days of constant rain, it's about as useful as a windbreaker. I'm saving up for an Event Jacket myself.
by BrunoM » Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:35 pm
Diego Sahagún wrote:phydeux wrote:If you're riding a bicycle, why not use fenders and a rain cape? I'd never wear Gortex pants and parka for riding in the rain. Look online and you'll find fenders for any type of bicycle you might own. And the same online store should also sell rain capes; they look something like a poncho. but have attachments points for your hands so you can spead it out and have some ventilation. A poncho also works well.
+1
by Bob Sihler » Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:36 pm
jdzaharia wrote:GoreTex definitely has a finite lifespan. This photo shows an example, that cannot be explained by sweat or condensation.
by Moni » Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:19 pm
by Diego Sahagún » Mon Apr 19, 2010 12:52 am
BrunoM wrote:Diego Sahagún wrote:phydeux wrote:If you're riding a bicycle, why not use fenders and a rain cape? I'd never wear Gortex pants and parka for riding in the rain. Look online and you'll find fenders for any type of bicycle you might own. And the same online store should also sell rain capes; they look something like a poncho. but have attachments points for your hands so you can spead it out and have some ventilation. A poncho also works well.
+1
Riding a bike with a poncho is madness. It obstructs your movements and your hands, and if there's a strong wind (which happens sometimes when it's raining), you become a sailboat on wheels.
by T Sharp » Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:34 am
by Damien Gildea » Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:53 am
jdzaharia wrote:GoreTex definitely has a finite lifespan. This photo shows an example, that cannot be explained by sweat or condensation.
by jdzaharia » Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:28 pm
Damien Gildea wrote:jdzaharia wrote:GoreTex definitely has a finite lifespan. This photo shows an example, that cannot be explained by sweat or condensation.
I don't know wtf is going on with those guys in this pic(!), but those garments are insulated, you can see the quilting, so issues with Gore-Tex are irrelevant to this photo. If it's cold enough to wear insulated bib-n-brace it's too cold to rain, and with the added layers of lined insulation a Gore membrane will not breathe properly anyway.
by Damien Gildea » Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:31 am
jdzaharia wrote:The photo was not intended to show that Gore-Tex doesn't work at all, but that older Gore-Tex does not retain its intended properties.
And plenty of insulated clothing breaths just fine.
The issue of faulty Gore-Tex is fully relevant, as the rain obviously penetrated the Gore-Tex membrane, especially in the butt, ... Rain also penetrated the inside of the elbows on a few of our coats, ... Two of us stayed nearly completely dry and well-breathed--one person wearing new Gore-Tex,
by jdzaharia » Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:43 am
Damien Gildea wrote:jdzaharia wrote:And plenty of insulated clothing breaths just fine.
Gore-Tex was not meant to work this way.
It's not necessarily 'faulty', you've just exceeded the limitations of the fabric, for a combination of reasons.
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