by PellucidWombat » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:37 pm
by John Duffield » Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:58 pm
by mrchad9 » Thu Jul 01, 2010 11:12 pm
Vitaliy M wrote:mrchad9 wrote:PellucidWombat wrote:haha, I have a huge deductible, so if there was any advice that seemed level-headed, I figured I might as well start there since the pain is fairly moderate, but annoying. Otherwise, the doctor awaits!
I actually got pretty cold the weekend before Memorial weekend, not expecting such cold weather. Had some fleece gloves but they weren't enough on a windy ridge with freezing temps.
Started experiencing some of the same symptoms you have, not coloration but tingling. Still a little but so slight I'm not concerned anymore, but lasted a couple weeks. I was surprised, so I guess I'm interested to see what folks come up with too.
Another fine example of America's health care system for all those who think it is so far and away the best.
Don't want to argue with you...but, if I follow your post it seems like you blame our health-care system for not wearing warm enough gloves on a windy ridge with freezing temps?
If I happen to have an emergency I would not want to be anywhere but here in US. Not saying it is the greatest system, I too think a lot has to change (especially insurance crap), but for emergency care we are in the elite few.
by mrchad9 » Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:23 am
Vitaliy M wrote:I see.
Well the beauty of US is you can CHOOSE which insurance you want. If you feel like you are young and don't need a full coverage you can choose one that covers less. It is a free choice. As I understand PW is a Structural Engineer, so as I understand he can choose which insurance to get.
If you are in US and you have an emergency it does not matter if you are legal, illegal, have insurance, or don't have insurance, you will be provided top service. If however you are not covered by the insurance you have, you will have to pay a crazy amount of money for something that costs a lot less than you will be charged (I am also on your side regarding prices charged by insurance companies..they are insane and need more control). But, again you have the choice of which insurance to get, and if you want to gamble it is up to you.
Alright, I am off to enjoy 2 days of all kinds of climbing, enjoy your weekend! : )))))
PS: Where were you in Thailand? I went to Bangkok, Pattaya, and Phuket for 2.5 weeks couple of years ago. Amazing place. Hope you saw muay thai fights, and rode elephants!
by PellucidWombat » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:58 pm
Vitaliy M wrote:Don't take Aspirin to promote circulation. Aspirin has some nasty side effects that you don't want. To promote circulation, keep yourself hydrated, warm, and move it around couple of times an hour at least, if you are resting (not during the night).
See what some actual MDs have to say, don't listen to anyone online offering a medication that "promotes circulation and healing." It would be best to contact a doc who has experience with frostbite, don't think your family doctor would be the best to talk to. It is up to you to decide what is more important, but personally if I had to pay some money for a visit to a person who probably knows better, I would take that over my toe being amputated (even though doc is not a final cure, and even he/she may not know what to do). You know best what it looks like now, and how it feels. If the color is not black anymore, and it does not bleed maybe it is ok to be more passive. However, if there is a chance of it getting an infection I would really see a trained pro.
by SoCalHiker » Tue Jul 06, 2010 4:22 pm
Vitaliy M wrote:...For example, claudification is a condition when for any reason arteries in legs get narrow. ...
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