Aaron Johnson wrote:If you're a lurker, if you could care less about contributions, if you're not that concerned about realibility of information, DMT's right. It matters not a hoot.

What I said was the SP voting system serves no useful purpose. The votes do not indicate some particular mountain or route attribute. A score in and of itself cannot be used in any useful way of making a mountain or route selection.

Its been underway some time now, but SP seems no longer to be dominated by the couple of dozen contributors that once represented the core group focus. BUILD OUT!

Now its evolving into a users group and as such the vote system is completely useless. It was never designed for the users, has always been a plaything and a club, of the contributors.

DMT

DMT:

What I said was the SP voting system serves no useful purpose.

For you, yes. For others, no.

The votes do not indicate some particular mountain or route attribute. A score in and of itself cannot be used in any useful way of making a mountain or route selection.

Agreed.

Its been underway some time now, but SP seems no longer to be dominated by the couple of dozen contributors that once represented the core group focus. BUILD OUT!

Agreed. This is a good thing.

Now its evolving into a users group and as such the vote system is completely useless. It was never designed for the users, has always been a plaything and a club, of the contributors.

It's certainly been used as a club in the past and will continue to be used as such in the future, regardless how we feel about it, It is also used by the contributors for any number of positive purposes. Most new contributions aren't voted on or receive very few votes, and that's fine too. The de-emphasis on voting has certainly arrived. People who like using it will continue to do so. De-emphasis on the voting though isn't bad, either.

Thanks for clarifying for me.

Very well said Aaron, especially liked your first post. Agree with it 100%.

Aaron Johnson wrote:It's certainly been used as a club

Just to clarify I mean a club, as in the Good Ole Boys Club (literally) as opposed to Fred Flintstone's weapon of choice.

Though the double entendre was obvious of course.

Cheers
DMT

Good ole boys-that's pretty good. We still have the good ole boys here at SP. Most of'em are pretty good folk, too. I've had the pleasure of meeting and climbing with a fair number of them too. No wonder SP has turned out so well!

I suppose when SP was getting started, it had to be that way. I joined the good ol' boys shortly after they got SP going. It was the only way back then to get SP going.

So yeah, the club was there. Still is.

And yeah, the club has been used to clobber folks in the past. Some had it coming, others did not. Sarah.simon has made a real good post in the Bad Submissions section about being helpful to new contributors. This is certainly how it should be done now on today's SP. The "good ole boys" days are in the past. With so many good examples of good contributions out there to show as examples, it's the best way to go about it.