emmieuk wrote:I don't it was a question yes probably pathetic to most but that does not mean it warrants that kind of sarcastic response
Don't really think sp is kinda for me ta for those that have helped
Happy climbing people!
To explain what it's all about:
There are as many definitions as there are mountaineers. Many climbers are awfully strongwilled. Plenty have a lot of experience. Then they get upset/angry/critical when somebody posts the "wrong" definition or explanation.
Your question wasn't the least pathetic. It has been threads about this, long threads with lots and lots of arguing. You know, simple questions are often the hardest to answer.
You're giving up way to easy. Wait and see, you might get a definition which suits your way of thinking.