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Is it winter?

Postby Clark_Griswold » Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:21 pm

Is it winter? California has all the makings of a severe drought. Snowpack is somewhere around 15 to 20% of normal, according to the sources I have seen, roads are open that were buried last year and are normally under a good thick layer of snow, and the recent snow graphs have this year worse than the record dry winter of 1976-1977.
http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/snow/PLOT_SWC Mammoth Mountain had a huge base last year by the winter solstice, but this year they have next to nothing.

Colorado and Utah aren't much better, and 2 weeks ago the Denver TV stations were reporting the pack at less than 3/4 of normal. In Arizona, the Ski area above Tucson is actually reporting better conditions than the one near Flagstaff. I know we have 2 1/2 months left, but I usually get fed up with winter by late February or early March and want to go to lower elevations to get away from snow, so when it is actually going to snow? It's been mild and sunny lately, and I can't complain about that, but it would be nice if a few traditionally snowy locales would actually get some snow.
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Re: Is it winter?

Postby Tonka » Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:32 pm

It was 50 degrees in Minneapolis yesterday and the lake I live on is not completely frozen. There should be small cities of ice houses (fishing) and herds on snowmobilers roaming around. I've never seen the lake this far behind. There is no snow at all right now but we are supposed to get an inch or so today but it looks like more snizzle and rain so far. Upside for me is I'm still getting to drive my Z4.
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Re: Is it winter?

Postby lcarreau » Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:42 pm

It's been cold enough up in Utah for ice fishing, though the slopes remain almost completely void of snow due to abnormal shifts in the Jet Stream.

Just goes to show it's not easy to predict the weather. And ... like Mark Twain once said: "Everybody Talks (Complains?) About the Weather, But Nobody Does Anything About It ... for crying out loud ...

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Re: Is it winter?

Postby Baarb » Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:18 pm

Western Alaska seems to be getting far more snow than usual from what I hear.
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Re: Is it winter?

Postby SeanReedy » Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:42 pm

Indeed, the dry (and warm) is becoming record breaking in CA, but if it just cyclical/something that happens sometimes, then we'll probably be OK...at least in terms of human water supply (if next year isn't a drought year).

http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_19668188

Since the turn of the century, we haven't had a lot of major drought years (in CA) and we have an extensive storage system. Will we decide to maintain it, improve it, and make it more efficient? Who knows?
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Re: Is it winter?

Postby butitsadryheat » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:36 am

Our luck, a pineapple express will line up and dump on us for days, and we'll have nowhere to put it, and we'll lose it.
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Re: Is it winter?

Postby lcarreau » Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:44 am

Baarb wrote:Western Alaska seems to be getting far more snow than usual from what I hear.


Funny you should mention western Alaska, as I'm planning a visit there this summer.

I'm waiting 'til summer, so I can drop my line into a Salmon run and smoke a few of those tasty buggers ..

If you got 'em, smoke 'em ...

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Re: Is it winter?

Postby Kiefer » Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:02 am

Yah. Here in Colorado, it feels like winter, well, in the mountains it does, it smells like winter and the calander tells me it's winter but I'm not seeing it! :cry:
At this rate, spring climbing is gonna suck. Though we'll probably get dumped on come late February/March.
Vail might actually have to lower their lift txts to (GASP! :o ) like $80 or something to lure people in on their man-made snow and PP.

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Thinking of tradin' in the sticks for a couple sets of Mickey Thompson's and headin down Icarreau way! :D
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Re: Is it winter?

Postby lcarreau » Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:30 am

Kiefer Thomas wrote:Thinking of tradin' in the sticks for a couple sets of Mickey Thompson's and headin down Icarreau way! :D


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Re: Is it winter?

Postby Clark_Griswold » Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:22 pm

The Sacramento NWS office reports a potential change to the weather pattern that may result in a storm late next week, around the 20th. Perhaps winter will arrive?
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Re: Is it winter?

Postby dskoon » Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:24 pm

Here in Oregon, and the Cascades, snow level is also way down, esp. compared to last year.

But, hope, at least hope, is on the way! They are predicting valley rain and mountain snow comin' our way early next week! Let's hope it happens, and and that it hits the rest of the West as well. . . Commence your snow dance :!:
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Re: Is it winter?

Postby Bubba Suess » Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:34 am

I, for one, am pleased with the current developments. The last two years have been horrendous winters with well above average snow levels. In March2011 we had 11 feet of snow in four days and that was just one of many storms. The winter before that saw the Great Storm of 2010, which I am still cleaning up after in the back reaches of my property. After two heavy years then a light year is alright by me.

I think it is a bit reactionary to cry drought since the precipitation has not shown up yet. Should we have cried ice age after one of the last couple of years big storms? Of course, last year, with all of its record breaking snow levels, had not a single drop of precipitation in the month of January, at least in my neck of the woods.

Let's just enjoy the weather and if we get to July and there still has been nothing, then start worrying.

No one was worrying about an ice age when this happened:

My front yard (Black Butte in the distance):
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Looking at my house from the garage:
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Relieving the stress:
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Out the front door:
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Re: Is it winter?

Postby SeanReedy » Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:53 am

Wow, Bubba, I'm not jealous of that aspect of living where you do!

Yep, there still could be a lot of rain and snow this winter and spring. I've been enjoying the warmth and sun. I've been doing lot's of running in the hills on trails that are usually muddy this time of year down here and had some fun adventures in the mountains up your way last month. I imagine some of the normally snowed-in spots that I was able to drive up to (Crater, Eddy, Weaver Bally) are even more easily accessible now than they were a few weeks ago. The ends of those drives were a bit of an adventure (in some cases I could have saved time and effort by starting the hike a bit before the trailhead).
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Re: Is it winter?

Postby Bubba Suess » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:33 am

The snow can be a drag, but as long as it is not Snowmageddon like the big storms we had the last two years, it can be quite pleasant. I am blessed to be able to play on Mount Eddy with snow shoes by heading right out my back door.

By the way, there is a big storm rolling in next week. Hike while you can!
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Re: Is it winter?

Postby Clark_Griswold » Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:25 pm

Well, technically,:
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But I hear you on the reprieve. I would prefer we could skip winter all together. I don't live in a place that gets those accumulations, nor do I want to. It will snow, it might not be enough to ward off drought, though. Mostly, it would be nice to have more even and normal winters than huge swings back and forth. Some do cry ice age or global warming disaster every time there is an aberration in the weather. Me, I'm just overly interested in it. Except for low snow packs, which can rebound, the low elevation grass-lands and farm areas could use rain instead of snow.
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