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Postby Bob Burd » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:28 pm

Bob Sihler wrote:Bob, is there any more context to this quote? While it could refer to runners, it might refer to rock climbing instead. Or both. Or something else. Without knowing the intent, it's hard to react.


I left it intentionally vague because it crops up in all sorts of situations and can refer to runners, climbers, cyclists, and others. Often of the form, "Why would anyone want to do "fill in the blank" in the Wilderness where they miss out on "fill in the other blank".
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Postby mrchad9 » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:29 pm

rhyang wrote:We put colored tape on Bear Creek Spire's North Arete, to mark the holds. Was that wrong ? :oops:

Yes. Spraypaint will last longer.
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Postby mrchad9 » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:38 pm

That's it? Weak. I was expecting something clever.
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Postby Dow Williams » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:40 pm

mvs wrote:I agree Bob. I get this vibe from people grimacing at me as I run by with an mp3 player on a trail. I'm out having fun, exercising hard. I don't think that should ruin a more spiritual or contemplative experience for anyone else.


I will run with an MP3 on paved trails in town, but never on the dirt paths. My wife has in the past and I have given her hell for it since we did lose a friend that way. This last week, under the power lines behind our old place, a young man ran right up on a 900lb grizzly. The grizzly was eating berries and actually thought it was under attack! Witnesses turned in the report, but the young man never came forward, out of embarrassment possibly. After the grizzly reared, stopped the runner, he then scattered. Man, I bet that added some pep to his step for the rest of his run.
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Postby mrchad9 » Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:49 pm

I assumed it was too many cosmos last night. Fair enough.
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Postby fatdad » Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:36 pm

Dow Williams wrote:
mvs wrote:I agree Bob. I get this vibe from people grimacing at me as I run by with an mp3 player on a trail. I'm out having fun, exercising hard. I don't think that should ruin a more spiritual or contemplative experience for anyone else.


I will run with an MP3 on paved trails in town, but never on the dirt paths. My wife has in the past and I have given her hell for it since we did lose a friend that way. This last week, under the power lines behind our old place, a young man ran right up on a 900lb grizzly. The grizzly was eating berries and actually thought it was under attack! Witnesses turned in the report, but the young man never came forward, out of embarrassment possibly. After the grizzly reared, stopped the runner, he then scattered. Man, I bet that added some pep to his step for the rest of his run.


Not really a concern here in LA, unless you're in West Hollywood, and even there you'd likely survive the encounter.
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Postby lisae » Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:36 pm

rhyang wrote:We put colored tape on Bear Creek Spire's North Arete, to mark the holds. Was that wrong ? :oops:


Yep, if you left it on the route...

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Postby Ze » Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:15 pm

poor people from centuries past. no gyms to work out in, so I guess they couldn't exercise.

and surely it's impossible to enjoy the wilderness while breathing hard. I think at 140 heartrate the body shuts down the "wilderness enjoyment" response...
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Postby MoapaPk » Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:24 pm

There aren't many gyms where I could do cardio for 8 hours without losing my mind.

People complain about everything, especially about people who can do things that are out-of-reach for them. Now that we have the internet, we can broadcast our jealousies around the world.

If you guys were causing great erosion, that might be a real concern; but you aren't. You aren't harming anything, except perhaps someone else's ego.

In my own milder endurance trips, I'm likely see no one else (except other members of my group on some occasions) all day. I can't imagine how I am disturbing the solitude of people who are not there.
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Postby The Chief » Thu Aug 19, 2010 9:34 pm

Sure, there are lots of examples of groups of people who've sought out religious experiences in the mountains.... but that's probably because deserts weren't available nearby. Deserts are far easier to access for that isolated, religious, experience, and many more cultures have made use of deserts for that experience, than mountains.


Obvious that you have never been to Mongolia nor North Africa where most of the indigenous people/tribes that lived in the desert would and still do to this day, trek the mtns near by for isolation and a spiritual experience.

And how about the Tule River and Southern Sierra Miwok Indian Tribes that did the same. Initially living and farming in the SJV during the winter then trekking to the Western Sierra for isolation and spiritual peace in the summer.

And the Hopi/Navajo of the Moab area flocking to the local La Sals etc...........
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