No problem. Hoping to do that route within the next few years. Like your page on it a lot.
I did find a pretty cool site here if you are interested: Bergsteigen.
Fred Spicker - Jan 23, 2012 5:04 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: picture topo
A very nice page - I added it to the route page to replace the one that was taken down.
I see two more places of fixed ropes than when I did the route - when I was there, there were only ropes on the initial pitch and the stretch above the shoulder.
Hello, sorry for asking again... the link to the picture topo is broken; or more specifically it seems that the file at bergsteigen.at has been deleted.
Could you maybe send it to me somehow? That would be really great.
Thanks!
Phil
Fred Spicker - Sep 11, 2013 7:49 am - Hasn't voted
Re: picture topo
Looks like it was deleted - I don't have a copy. I have removed the link.
Sorry for the late response - I have just returned from a two week trip to Iceland.
As prices at Hornlihutte are prohibitive, do you know if there are places in the area where we can camp? In the hutte site they are mentioning that the camping and bivouacking is forbidden.
Fred Spicker - Jul 22, 2016 9:12 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Camping
I doubt that there is any legal camping anywhere near the hut. I suggest that you contact the Zermatt tourist bureau. Also, you might post this question to the Europe board in the forums.
There is a bivy spot about 1000 feet below the hut, near the beginning of the iron stairway. It's built up nicely and hugs the base of the cliff. Comfy for 4-5 people.
Hello, can someone, especially if you have climbed both, tell me how the normal route(s) here compare to the normal routes on the Grand Teton (ex. Upper Exum, Owen Spalding) in the US? ...and also maybe a comparison as well to the normal or easiest routes up the Drus near Chamonix? All I can find is AD, AD-, and D but I have no idea how that would compare to YDS. I've looked at several comparison charts, but I need a good take from someone who knows.
Fred Spicker - Nov 11, 2016 11:05 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Difficulty of Route Comparison
In dry conditions, the technical climbing on the Hörnligrat is much easier than on the Upper Exum - two pitches of III- which is barely 5th class. However the climb is much longer and very sustained at 3rd and 4th class - most of it of the "if you fall you die" variety. On the upper part of the peak you will almost certainly find mixed snow and rock - crampons needed.
The Hörnigrat is considered by most to be the most difficult "normal" route on any of the 4,000 m peaks in the Alps.
Here is a good page for YDS / UIAA comparisons - with written descriptions of many grades.
If it is helpful, Fred and I took almost 13 hours round trip on this route and we had top notch conditions. We do not know how conditions have changed since the landslide that took place on the lower Hörnligrat.
Brian Jenkins - Jan 22, 2012 7:27 pm - Hasn't voted
picture topoThe picture topo link at the bottom is not working (or at least didn't for me).
Fred Spicker - Jan 22, 2012 10:56 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: picture topoThe site was taken down - correction made.
Thanks for the heads up.
Brian Jenkins - Jan 23, 2012 2:33 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: picture topoNo problem. Hoping to do that route within the next few years. Like your page on it a lot.
I did find a pretty cool site here if you are interested:
Bergsteigen.
Fred Spicker - Jan 23, 2012 5:04 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: picture topoA very nice page - I added it to the route page to replace the one that was taken down.
I see two more places of fixed ropes than when I did the route - when I was there, there were only ropes on the initial pitch and the stretch above the shoulder.
Thanks much.
Fred
philippematter68 - Sep 10, 2013 7:04 am - Hasn't voted
Re: picture topoHello, sorry for asking again... the link to the picture topo is broken; or more specifically it seems that the file at bergsteigen.at has been deleted.
Could you maybe send it to me somehow? That would be really great.
Thanks!
Phil
Fred Spicker - Sep 11, 2013 7:49 am - Hasn't voted
Re: picture topoLooks like it was deleted - I don't have a copy. I have removed the link.
Sorry for the late response - I have just returned from a two week trip to Iceland.
bogdivoda - Jul 21, 2016 9:03 am - Hasn't voted
CampingAs prices at Hornlihutte are prohibitive, do you know if there are places in the area where we can camp? In the hutte site they are mentioning that the camping and bivouacking is forbidden.
Fred Spicker - Jul 22, 2016 9:12 am - Hasn't voted
Re: CampingI doubt that there is any legal camping anywhere near the hut. I suggest that you contact the Zermatt tourist bureau. Also, you might post this question to the Europe board in the forums.
McCannster - Mar 3, 2021 11:55 am - Voted 10/10
Re: CampingThere is a bivy spot about 1000 feet below the hut, near the beginning of the iron stairway. It's built up nicely and hugs the base of the cliff. Comfy for 4-5 people.
chrisjarvis - Nov 9, 2016 1:25 pm - Hasn't voted
Difficulty of Route ComparisonHello, can someone, especially if you have climbed both, tell me how the normal route(s) here compare to the normal routes on the Grand Teton (ex. Upper Exum, Owen Spalding) in the US? ...and also maybe a comparison as well to the normal or easiest routes up the Drus near Chamonix? All I can find is AD, AD-, and D but I have no idea how that would compare to YDS. I've looked at several comparison charts, but I need a good take from someone who knows.
Fred Spicker - Nov 11, 2016 11:05 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Difficulty of Route ComparisonIn dry conditions, the technical climbing on the Hörnligrat is much easier than on the Upper Exum - two pitches of III- which is barely 5th class. However the climb is much longer and very sustained at 3rd and 4th class - most of it of the "if you fall you die" variety. On the upper part of the peak you will almost certainly find mixed snow and rock - crampons needed.
The Hörnigrat is considered by most to be the most difficult "normal" route on any of the 4,000 m peaks in the Alps.
Here is a good page for YDS / UIAA comparisons - with written descriptions of many grades.
http://www.summitpost.org/handy-alpine-grade-facts/173430
chrisjarvis - Nov 14, 2016 6:05 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Difficulty of Route ComparisonThanks so much!
Moni - Nov 23, 2016 8:42 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Difficulty of Route ComparisonIf it is helpful, Fred and I took almost 13 hours round trip on this route and we had top notch conditions. We do not know how conditions have changed since the landslide that took place on the lower Hörnligrat.