"6800 of them live in Romania. And 80% of this population lives in an area within a 70 km radius centered by the Harghita/Hargita mountains."
I guess that's a mistake - probably about 20%: here and here.
A map would be useful too. I've found a link to this map, which is old (from the communist era) but still shows the basics.
Hi Jacek, I appreciate that you go into the details :-)
Concerning the map, I will insert a link, following your advice. I know the internet source of a recent map, too. I don't want to upload the map directly, due to copy right issues.
That's true that Hargita has 20-25 % of the total Romanian bear population. The trick is that the 70 km redius centered by Hargita Mountain does not equal Hargita County. This circle that has a diameter of 140 km covers Hargita County, Covasna County, the mountain covered part of Mures County, the north part of Brasov County, and the highest western parts of Neamt and Bacau Counties. As far as I know, this area really hosts 80% of the bears, since these counties are the most densely populated with bears. If the single Hargita county hosts 20-25%, then so many counties can host 80%. Does it sound reasonable?
Szani, I'm afraid it doesn't. First, such a circle would cover less than 15% of all of the Romanian Carpathians and – according to this, I guess quite reliable data – may be home to about 40% of the Romanian bears. Second, why should we draw such a circle? It will be more informative to say that Hargita is the 2nd most densely populated by bears county in Romania (approx. 17 bears per sq km, while e.g. Vrancea or Hunedoara have half as many) plus perhaps insert a link to the interesting article I googled out thanks to your new, equally interesting Carpathian page. BTW I wonder why on earth Kovaszna and Hargita have so many bears. Are they the most wooded counties or are the bears Hungarian? :)
Hi Jacek. My numbers are not based on guesses, and they have nothing to do with interrelation between bears and counties with Hungarian population. Of course such interrelationship can't exist. This article is based on local Transylvaninan source:
According to its last paragraph 78% of the bears of Romania live in the Counties of Hargita, Covasna, Mures and Brasov.
I can't give an explanation why is it so. They are not the most wooded counties.
Your source states 40% in the mentioned 4 counties, while the source that I referred states 78%. What can cause this conflict of data? Either incorrect numbers in one of the sources. Or the fact that your sorce is 23 years older than the source that I referred. Whatever the truth is, I can close the topic by changing the text on the SP page by stating that Hargitza County is the conty of Romania that is most densely polulated by bears
Hoping you'll bear with me :) a minute longer: Agreed except that I'd write, "Hargita and Kovaszna, its southern neighbour, are the most densely populated by bears counties in Romania."
As for reliability of the sources, bear in mind :) that the article I found was written by scientists, while yours by a journalist, I think mediocre or/and kind of sensation-seeking. 80% of the bears on just 15% of the Romanian Carpathian land is just not plausible.
BTW Could you please give some info on the "normal route" to the highest summit? And there isn't any red tape, is there?
yatsek - Dec 4, 2017 9:13 am - Voted 10/10
Number of bears"6800 of them live in Romania. And 80% of this population lives in an area within a 70 km radius centered by the Harghita/Hargita mountains."
I guess that's a mistake - probably about 20%:
here and here.
A map would be useful too. I've found a link to this map, which is old (from the communist era) but still shows the basics.
SzaniUherkovich - Dec 4, 2017 12:54 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Number of bearsHi Jacek, I appreciate that you go into the details :-)
Concerning the map, I will insert a link, following your advice. I know the internet source of a recent map, too. I don't want to upload the map directly, due to copy right issues.
That's true that Hargita has 20-25 % of the total Romanian bear population. The trick is that the 70 km redius centered by Hargita Mountain does not equal Hargita County. This circle that has a diameter of 140 km covers Hargita County, Covasna County, the mountain covered part of Mures County, the north part of Brasov County, and the highest western parts of Neamt and Bacau Counties. As far as I know, this area really hosts 80% of the bears, since these counties are the most densely populated with bears. If the single Hargita county hosts 20-25%, then so many counties can host 80%. Does it sound reasonable?
Cheers, Szani
yatsek - Dec 4, 2017 6:38 pm - Voted 10/10
Re: Number of bearsSzani, I'm afraid it doesn't. First, such a circle would cover less than 15% of all of the Romanian Carpathians and – according to this, I guess quite reliable data – may be home to about 40% of the Romanian bears. Second, why should we draw such a circle? It will be more informative to say that Hargita is the 2nd most densely populated by bears county in Romania (approx. 17 bears per sq km, while e.g. Vrancea or Hunedoara have half as many) plus perhaps insert a link to the interesting article I googled out thanks to your new, equally interesting Carpathian page. BTW I wonder why on earth Kovaszna and Hargita have so many bears. Are they the most wooded counties or are the bears Hungarian? :)
SzaniUherkovich - Dec 5, 2017 4:42 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Number of bearsHi Jacek. My numbers are not based on guesses, and they have nothing to do with interrelation between bears and counties with Hungarian population. Of course such interrelationship can't exist. This article is based on local Transylvaninan source:
https://24.hu/kulfold/2017/09/03/tizedszer-tamadt-emberre-medve-az-iden-hargita-megyeben/.
According to its last paragraph 78% of the bears of Romania live in the Counties of Hargita, Covasna, Mures and Brasov.
I can't give an explanation why is it so. They are not the most wooded counties.
Your source states 40% in the mentioned 4 counties, while the source that I referred states 78%. What can cause this conflict of data? Either incorrect numbers in one of the sources. Or the fact that your sorce is 23 years older than the source that I referred. Whatever the truth is, I can close the topic by changing the text on the SP page by stating that Hargitza County is the conty of Romania that is most densely polulated by bears
yatsek - Dec 5, 2017 6:59 am - Voted 10/10
Re: Number of bearsHoping you'll bear with me :) a minute longer: Agreed except that I'd write, "Hargita and Kovaszna, its southern neighbour, are the most densely populated by bears counties in Romania."
As for reliability of the sources, bear in mind :) that the article I found was written by scientists, while yours by a journalist, I think mediocre or/and kind of sensation-seeking. 80% of the bears on just 15% of the Romanian Carpathian land is just not plausible.
BTW Could you please give some info on the "normal route" to the highest summit? And there isn't any red tape, is there?
Cheers,
Jacek
SzaniUherkovich - Dec 15, 2017 3:34 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Number of bearsJacek, now I did the modifications that you suggested. Cheers, Szani
yatsek - Dec 15, 2017 11:15 am - Voted 10/10
Re: Number of bearsThanks!
yatsek - Jun 2, 2020 9:07 am - Voted 10/10
Some recent infoI thought you might like to add this info/link.
SzaniUherkovich - Jun 2, 2020 9:32 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Some recent infoThe question about bears in Harghita pops up again ;-)
I inserted the link into the body of the main page. Thank you