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by The Chief » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:30 pm

Alpynisto wrote: The mode change ain't no thing since your changing skins too.

You take your skis off when putting on or stripping skins????


And the Dynafit TLT Boot/Binding Combo design has been around for at least 15+ years... 1983 to be exact.

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by The Chief » Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:46 pm

FortMental wrote:Chief:

I've often skied with 3,000'+ with my Scarpa plastic mountaineering's very comfortable, light and efficient. Skied up to Disapointment Cleaver on Rainier, and to the base of the Mountaineers Route (and back down). And there's no greater feeling of freedom than skinning deep into the San Juans with the skis, ice climbing for the day, taking off the crampons, and stepping into my bindings and skiing back. Sure, they kinda suck for serious downhilling, big deal. My bindings? Ramers. Can fix/adjust them in the middle of nowhere with an allen wrench. But then, it's not for everyone.


Ahhhhh! many a non-release Spiral Fractures have occurred due to these.

Yes.. agreed on the day trip in and out.

Modern AT Boots can afford a day of both. Like I posted...


The Women Specific "Sugar"

Will fill this void, comfortably with a pair of Grivel G-12's (either style)....

The Rig...

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by Deb » Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:13 am

The Chief wrote:Modern AT Boots can afford a day of both. Like I posted...

Will fill this void, comfortably with a pair of Grivel G-12's (either style)....

The Rig...

I like the way you think Chief! 8)

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by RickF » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:45 am


There are a lot of choices out there. The most important aspect of boot selection for performance and comfort is a good fit to your foot. Being from Southern California myself, I found A/T boot shopping really challenging because there are not many outlets here that stock a variety of boots to try on. I bought Garmont MegaRides on line from and I did the thermo-molding myself. By doing a little research I learned that the Garmonts are better fits for narrow feet so that helped me narrow it down. If you have wide feet you might find that Scarpa's fit better.

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by Aaron Dyer » Wed Oct 14, 2009 4:58 am

I saw that someone mentioned it earlier that the Silverettas work with mountaineering boots; I have skinned uphill in my Freerides wearing Scarpa Alpha climbing boots. They snap in and are secured just fine but, like Chief said, I would not recommend this as it is not terribly comfortable.

More to the point, I found it damn near impossible to drive my ski through a turn wearing the plastic climbing boots as they lacked the height and lateral rigidity to transfer power to the ski.

But just because I can't do it doesn't mean someone else can't. I was probably just soft.

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by Alpynisto » Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:13 pm

Leave it to Chief to give dick-waving bad advice, some things never change. I call BS on the lots spiral tib-fibs from Ramers, properly set up they actually released quite well. A heavy ass boot like Adrenalin with heavy steel crampons is silly at best.

As for the Fritschi with climbing boots, lots of things are possible but are also less than ideal. If you're doing it a lot, a 400/404/500 Silvretta (or late model Ramer if you can find one) is indeed a better option. Skiing boots like that definitely takes practice but it may even help your regular skiing.

None of this helps the OP though so at least try and stay on topic. She wants a good AT rig and that starts with an all-mountain AT boot and a mid-fat ski. The new issue of Skiing actually has a pretty good overview of the backcountry market.

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Skiing for transport or joy?

by Aksel » Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:15 pm

I own approach skis with silvretta bindings,but i would never consider using that setup when skiing is the main thing.When i go for a combined ski/climb route i usally use my AT setup.As long as there is mostly ice or snow and the climb is easy enough to be climbed with skis on pack,i find my spirit 4 boots work well for climbing as well as being solid enough when skiing down.(The Garmont adrenaline climbs worse compared to the spirit 4 according to friends)

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by MarthaP » Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:53 am

What's really flippin' funny about this thread is that the OP asked for opinions from the LADIES and got a majority of testosterone driven prating from the guys.

Figures. Go beat your chests elsewhere, boys. Women do things differently, if you hadn't noticed. :roll:

Deb, I've skied for a lot longer than most people on this thread but NOT Chief. I am completely supportive of what he suggests because what he offers is intellegent and sensible.

Everything else is just masturbation.

Come ski in CO sometime, too. You're more than welcome here.

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by The Chief » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:42 am

Now we are commenting that G-12's are heavy ass steel crampons and are useless.

Of course you Aplynisto, would wear Aluminum Pons on Mixed WI3 and greater Alpine/Ice routes, right!

As far as Ramers and their spiral fracture record, call this Femur, Fib/ Tib and complete Knee Ski Injury specific Ortho Expert who dealt with their malfunctions for over 7 years. He will be more than glad to lend you some first hand "published" stories...

Dr. Michael Karch
Mammoth Sierra Ortho/Sports Med Ctr

Koflach Arctis: 2500 grams per pr
Scarpa Inverno's: 2640 grams per pr
G-Sugars: 3090 grams per pr (w/Thermo's)
G- Adrenalin: 3470 grams per pr (w/Thermo's)

"Anyone that is contemplating skiing down anything over 10 degs in Mountaineering Boots that ARE NOT designed for AT skiing, is asking for a potentially severe lower extremity injury!"
Dr. Karch less than 15 mins ago by phone.

Skiing mag is an Alpine generic piece of propaganda shit that is printed in Hong Kong.

You want AT & Tele Expert Specific Info, go here....

Backcountry Magazine which formerly was Couloir Magazine. Written by AT and Tele experts.

BTW: The idea that I posted regarding the heavy ass set up... that was no other than this Late Great Legends actual rig idea before he died, not mine! He had an awesome article on it in the Jan '06 edition of Backcountry Mag.

I guess he too was giving out.."dick-waving bad advice".

Doug Coombs 1957-2006

Here he is on his..."A heavy ass boot like Adrenalin with heavy steel crampons is silly at best" Rig. But what the fk did he know, right Alpynisto?



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