Folks, let's please not go down this road here. I think the few this applies to know what I mean.

MoapaPk wrote:I would argue that if a person decides to leave, there should be a "cooling off" period where his/her mountain, route or range pages must be offered up for adoption. That condition would have to be explicitly stated in the agreements for joining SP.

I can appreciate that sentiment, and I agree it creates problems and "holes" when someone's pages disappear, but I'm not really comfortable with that idea. Nuking a bad page is one thing, but telling someone that the work he volunteered to do is not his anymore is another, at least to me.

I'd prefer to see it so that deleting an account doesn't mean deleting the pages as well, making a person delete everything himself if that's what he really wants to do.

I can hypothesize the best of all possible worlds; but I'm fine with the way things are! All this stuff is small change.

SP is still the first place I look for beta on the "better-known" peaks, especially info on regs and near-by campgrounds.

Dave K wrote:I'm not saying nuke it after 10 minutes. But after a day or two there is nothing, then zap.

If someone gets that worked up about deleting a blank page...oh well.

+1

Bob Sihler wrote:

MoapaPk wrote:I would argue that if a person decides to leave, there should be a "cooling off" period where his/her mountain, route or range pages must be offered up for adoption. That condition would have to be explicitly stated in the agreements for joining SP.

I can appreciate that sentiment, and I agree it creates problems and "holes" when someone's pages disappear, but I'm not really comfortable with that idea. Nuking a bad page is one thing, but telling someone that the work he volunteered to do is not his anymore is another, at least to me.

Agree w/ Bob here. You should be able to delete whatever you submitted. No cooling off shit.

But also agree with Truchas. If you are prone to hissy fits and leaving/returning, I see no reason you should be able to throw up a bunch of pages when you return, only to likely delete them again.

Bob Sihler wrote:

MoapaPk wrote:I would argue that if a person decides to leave, there should be a "cooling off" period where his/her mountain, route or range pages must be offered up for adoption. That condition would have to be explicitly stated in the agreements for joining SP.

I can appreciate that sentiment, and I agree it creates problems and "holes" when someone's pages disappear, but I'm not really comfortable with that idea. Nuking a bad page is one thing, but telling someone that the work he volunteered to do is not his anymore is another, at least to me.

I'd prefer to see it so that deleting an account doesn't mean deleting the pages as well, making a person delete everything himself if that's what he really wants to do.

BTW, I was just saying that page must be put up for adoption. The "owner" can still demand that any previous text be removed, or at least modified enough to be unrecognizable by copyright laws. We have some pages on SP where ownership was changed, but the original text changed very little or was simply embedded in additions. Unless there was documented permission from the original owner (and we are really serious about the copyright stuff), that's plagiarism.

But the point is probably moot. There are people just itching to get a chance to fiddle with existing pages, and once someone leaves with fanfare, those other people may take that opportunity to swoop in.

mrchad9 wrote:But also agree with Truchas. If you are prone to hissy fits and leaving/returning, I see no reason you should be able to throw up a bunch of pages when you return, only to likely delete them again.

My psychological training is non-existent, so I don't know if we are discussing particular people with multiple-departure syndrome, and I am unable to offer expert opinion on a person's likelihood for multiple departures. But if an owner wants to go through all the trouble of recreating a page, is that any skin off my nose? Often people cache their contributions somewhere, so re-creation isn't that hard. At times the elves have simply dug up a deleted page when the dear departed returned in a few days; that IS unneeded extra work.

A problem with nuking pages that have been around for a while and/or the removal of pages that have been around for a while when the owner leaves SP is that they frequently have stuff attached to them that was done by other contributors, so you end up with orphaned route pages, trip reports, etc. This has happened to me several times when someone left after throwing a tantrum.

Someone should look at the pages and give the other contributors a chance to adopt before deleting.

Bob Sihler wrote:

MoapaPk wrote:I would argue that if a person decides to leave, there should be a "cooling off" period where his/her mountain, route or range pages must be offered up for adoption. That condition would have to be explicitly stated in the agreements for joining SP.

I can appreciate that sentiment, and I agree it creates problems and "holes" when someone's pages disappear, but I'm not really comfortable with that idea. Nuking a bad page is one thing, but telling someone that the work he volunteered to do is not his anymore is another, at least to me.

I'd prefer to see it so that deleting an account doesn't mean deleting the pages as well, making a person delete everything himself if that's what he really wants to do.

You get points for creating a page so it's a "work for hire" and no longer yours.

Note that I'm not a lawyer and don't play one on TV.

Before you start a New Page, have all your shit ready and a draft completed. When one starts, complete it and that is that. Finish what you start and move on. What a concept.

Leaving something to be completed another day or forgetting totally about it just clutters up the system and is completely ridiculous and totally lazy. One can always come back on occasion and edit/update the damn page.

You have my vote to Nuke it Bob if not completed within a established time frame, 24 hours etc.

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I see a bigger problem with people who made their pages ages ago, hasn't touched or updated them for years. There's inaccurate information on such pages.

Bob Sihler wrote:Folks, let's please not go down this road here. I think the few this applies to know what I mean.

That was a page ago.

This thread is showing signs of becoming terminally ill. Come on, people.

sjarelkwint wrote:Pages that use 2 different screen-size settings?

http://www.summitpost.org/area/range/15 ... lands.html

Thanks for pointing that out, I'll fix that.

The Chief wrote:Before you start a New Page, have all your shit ready and a draft completed. When one starts, complete it and that is that. Finish what you start and move on. What a concept.

Leaving something to be completed another day or forgetting totally about it just clutters up the system and is completely ridiculous and totally lazy. One can always come back on occasion and edit/update the damn page.

You have my vote to Nuke it Bob if not completed within a established time frame, 24 hours etc.

I'm seeing more support for 24 hrs as opposed to 2 days.

Confounds me people who post half done pages, pretending they will finish them days later. Yes, just wait if you still don't have it done.

At the "delete my account" stage, the elves could ask the former contributor, "may we leave your mountain and area pages up for adoption?"

If no, respect that.

If yes, create an elf-controlled user ("Orphan") that accepts offers to adopt pages.

truchas wrote:(...) but to expect them to police the accurancy of the content for thousands of pages is rediculous.

Your spelling accuracy is ridiculous.

Sorry, couldn't resist

Arthur Digbee wrote:At the "delete my account" stage, the elves could ask the former contributor, "may we leave your mountain and area pages up for adoption?"

If no, respect that.

If yes, create an elf-controlled user ("Orphan") that accepts offers to adopt pages.

Many times, the Elves do try to adopt pages out. There have also been times that users offered up their pages before leaving; that is how I got the Canyonlands NP page. Usually, though, people delete their pages on their own and then ask for their accounts to be deleted.