brotherbbock wrote:I also agree. If people are going to post TR's on this they need to start doing the climb the legal way and skirt around grid 33. That way the DWA has no legal right to complain or harass climbers in legal parking areas.

People may also want to refrain from posting prospective trips with dates certain. From the early posts, it appears that someone is monitoring people's plans and intercepting accordingly. Having said that, Snow Creek has a pretty limited season so it's probably safe to assume they'll probably be out there every weekend for the next month or so.

MikeTX wrote:that's probably one of the funniest things i've read on this board in awhile. thanks steve.

Indeed....that was f-ing classic.

fatdad wrote:

brotherbbock wrote:I also agree. If people are going to post TR's on this they need to start doing the climb the legal way and skirt around grid 33. That way the DWA has no legal right to complain or harass climbers in legal parking areas.

People may also want to refrain from posting prospective trips with dates certain. From the early posts, it appears that someone is monitoring people's plans and intercepting accordingly. Having said that, Snow Creek has a pretty limited season so it's probably safe to assume they'll probably be out there every weekend for the next month or so.

Saturday morning at 8 a.m., I plan to hike onto DWA property and poop in the watershed.

Anyone else want to join me?

Dave K wrote:

fatdad wrote:

brotherbbock wrote:I also agree. If people are going to post TR's on this they need to start doing the climb the legal way and skirt around grid 33. That way the DWA has no legal right to complain or harass climbers in legal parking areas.

People may also want to refrain from posting prospective trips with dates certain. From the early posts, it appears that someone is monitoring people's plans and intercepting accordingly. Having said that, Snow Creek has a pretty limited season so it's probably safe to assume they'll probably be out there every weekend for the next month or so.

Saturday morning at 8 a.m., I plan to hike onto DWA property and poop in the watershed.

Anyone else want to join me?

I'll bring the coffee and cigarettes to get 'er started.

Sounds like MF needs to stop with the Big Party trips. Saw this coming after last years incident.

Folks who really want to do this, use Rick Kent's route (as posted earlier) and go during the weekday.

Next.....

Steve1215 wrote:AND Salome sayeth: I am BORED, so bring me the head of that prophet…bring me the head of FIGHT ON, on thy silver platter! And so they killeth him, and they removeth the head of FIGHT ON; they banneth him and deleteth him, and they casteth his body into yon sulphorous Lake of Fire! Oh wicked men and pagan idolators, thou hast smote THE ONE TRUE PROTECTOR OF SNOW CREEK.

"A prophet is not without honor, but in his own country, and among his own kin..." Mark 6:4

Dave K wrote:Saturday morning at 8 a.m., I plan to hike onto DWA property and poop in the watershed.

Anyone else want to join me?

Thanks guys for the humor!

Dave K wrote:

fatdad wrote:

brotherbbock wrote:I also agree. If people are going to post TR's on this they need to start doing the climb the legal way and skirt around grid 33. That way the DWA has no legal right to complain or harass climbers in legal parking areas.

People may also want to refrain from posting prospective trips with dates certain. From the early posts, it appears that someone is monitoring people's plans and intercepting accordingly. Having said that, Snow Creek has a pretty limited season so it's probably safe to assume they'll probably be out there every weekend for the next month or so.

Saturday morning at 8 a.m., I plan to hike onto DWA property and poop in the watershed.

Anyone else want to join me?

LOL. Thanks for that.

BTW DMT (former English major here mind you), I believe smite is both present and future tense and smitten and smote are both past tense. Smite on.

Gary Schenk wrote:This little cat and mouse game between climbers and DWA has been going on for decades. With sort of a wink and a nod climbers have gotten through DWA land in twos and threes. They know they are not supposed to be there, DWA knows they are just going through to climb.

Now all of a sudden organized groups of 18 are announcing their plans on the Internet. This changes the game. The DWA wants to protect their land and water rights and escalates their efforts relative to the climber escalation.

So it goes.

No one willingly announced it, someone leaked and it escalated from there.

Dave K wrote:Saturday morning at 8 a.m., I plan to hike onto DWA property and poop in the watershed.

Anyone else want to join me?

Don't forget to invite toxo. I think she'd be upset if you left her out of this one.

Squishy.....that's a mean thing to do! Now go chase some climbers from doing Snow Creek. All 18 of them!!

If you go around the DWA land you still need a permit.

State Park rules:
"They do not allow a mail in method for dayhiking permits.
(Overnight permits if requested by mail must be done 10 days ahead).

the Forest Service DO allow a mail method, but you still need to mail it in far in advance for them to mail you back an approval. You need to write on the permit that it's for a day-hike, since this mail in method is normally used for overnight.
http://www.fsva.org/pdf/Wilderness%20Pe ... 20MSJW.pdf "

Steve1215 wrote:
~~steve

Btw, guess what? TODAY is the 78th anniversary of SNOW CREEK’s FIRST ASCENT. On April 16, 1932, Howard J. Sloan, Morgan Leonard, and Glenn Rickenbough first climbed this famous snow couloir.

Happy Birthday, Snow Creek

possible CORRECTION. where did u get that info?

i think those guys were the first to summit SJP, but not via the Snow Creek. i have some first-hand info of the FA of snow creek: 8 yrs ago up in idyllwild, i met a SB search + rescue guy 70+yrs old who said he was on the the first ascent group of it in his Ked shoes in snow. Mccalister i believe. tough tall and healthy dude. we talked at length about it. the climbing store owner knew him too. he also would lead the S+R peeps up and down the snowcreek in winter for training. he aslo would take huge troops of boy scouts up scnowcreek in summer (like 20-30) kids. other stories too...

MikeTX wrote:i always feel a little like a kid on christmas when i look on my screen and see that steve has posted something.

All I can say is wow.

Steve1215 wrote:
Dr. Zeeman’s biological model tries to assess the probable behavior of a theoretical angry hound dog.

I might be willing to take my chances with a theoretical angry hound dog but maybe not with a large real time angry guard in the empirical world.

Steve1215 wrote:You will probably want to do this at your own risk. A few tenured mathematicians in the 1970s considered Christopher Zeeman’s books to be scientifically “irresponsible” and bordering on the metaphysical.

I think maybe lots of outdoors types appreciate the metaphysical.

All in all, interesting "outside the box" ruminations Steve. I must say, it sounds like there was some inspirational karma blowing around in Big Santa Anita Canyon the day you were there.

Cheers,

Augie