by mountainsandsound » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:00 pm
by willytinawin » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:38 pm
by ScottyP » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:51 pm
Marmaduke wrote:Two Sonoma Valley (were I reside) residents were on the mountain but were luckily unharmed.
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20 ... /140419487
http://www.sonomanews.com/kenwood-climb ... 1PitfPn_hE
by radson » Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:55 pm
willytinawin wrote:The mountain sure has changed since Reinhold Messner climbed it alone without oxygen in three days with no one fixing the route. I think he was even wearing leather boots.
What happened was money. Everyone wanted to make a profit on Everest. Supplemental oxygen and fixed guided routes, big fees. huge piles of trash left behind. That is the polar opposite of Reinhold's style.
I think only people like Reinhold should be there. For most others, it is death on a stick. If you can't do it honestly and with good style, stay away. RIP sherpas.
by dadndave » Mon May 05, 2014 3:31 am
by ChrisJahn » Mon May 05, 2014 4:03 am
dadndave wrote:I wouldn't say Messner was an absolute outlier on Everest.
The first Australian ascent of Everest was straight up the guts of the North Face to the Norton Couloir in Alpine style and without oxygen! Tim McCartney-Snape and Greg Mortimer. 1984.
Before that Bonnington's team did "Everest the hard way" - South-West face with Haston and Doug Scott, Burke and Boardman (I think) all summitting. Not sure if that was with or without oxygen. 1975
Pommy bloke called Venables summited via the Kangshung Face to the South Col. Not sure what year.
Then there was the American West Ridge - Hornbein couloir route. Pretty big deal for 1963
by macintosh » Mon May 05, 2014 8:54 am
dadndave wrote:Before that Bonnington's team did "Everest the hard way" - South-West face with Haston and Doug Scott, Burke and Boardman (I think) all summitting. Not sure if that was with or without oxygen. 1975
by radson » Mon May 05, 2014 10:41 am
dadndave wrote:I wouldn't say Messner was an absolute outlier on Everest.
The first Australian ascent of Everest was straight up the guts of the North Face to the Norton Couloir in Alpine style and without oxygen! Tim McCartney-Snape and Greg Mortimer. 1984.
Before that Bonnington's team did "Everest the hard way" - South-West face with Haston and Doug Scott, Burke and Boardman (I think) all summitting. Not sure if that was with or without oxygen. 1975
Pommy bloke called Venables summited via the Kangshung Face to the South Col. Not sure what year.
Then there was the American West Ridge - Hornbein couloir route. Pretty big deal for 1963
by macintosh » Mon May 05, 2014 11:00 am
radson wrote:dadndave wrote:I wouldn't say Messner was an absolute outlier on Everest.
The first Australian ascent of Everest was straight up the guts of the North Face to the Norton Couloir in Alpine style and without oxygen! Tim McCartney-Snape and Greg Mortimer. 1984.
Before that Bonnington's team did "Everest the hard way" - South-West face with Haston and Doug Scott, Burke and Boardman (I think) all summitting. Not sure if that was with or without oxygen. 1975
Pommy bloke called Venables summited via the Kangshung Face to the South Col. Not sure what year.
Then there was the American West Ridge - Hornbein couloir route. Pretty big deal for 1963
I guess its semantics but for me Messners solo no oxygen free ascent new route of everest is the very definition of outlier.
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