This thread is now getting kind a stupid.
Who the fk cares what they do with your body after you die.... yur dead for God's sake.
by Luciano136 » Sat May 15, 2010 12:41 am
The Chief wrote:Who the fk cares what they do with your body after you die.... yur dead for God's sake.
by aglane » Sat May 15, 2010 12:58 am
by dskoon » Sat May 15, 2010 3:43 am
dynamokiev98 wrote:The Chief wrote:dynamokiev98 wrote:AS I HEARD..if you need a helicopter rescue from the mountains you will be billed for 10,000$. When you sign up to be a member of American Alpine Club they will cover you for half of that if you need one..http://www.americanalpineclub.org/whyjoin
This was told to me by a friend...maybe someone with more knowledge on this issue can comment? And is it a good idea to join this club?
IN or OUT of CONUS?
Source if IN CONUS please.
All I care is continental US. Is CONUS=continental US?
I AM ASKING: Is it true that a climber needs to pay for helicopter rescue if he broke his leg for example and can't get down?
American Alpine Club is obviously in US and they offer 5000$ compensation coverage for helicopter rescue (which is supposedly 1/2 of what you need to pay). IF rescue is FREE, WHY does AAC include this in their members benefits? Just to attract people?
by The Chief » Sat May 15, 2010 4:19 am
dynamokiev98 wrote:All I care is continental US. Is CONUS=continental US?
I AM ASKING: Is it true that a climber needs to pay for helicopter rescue if he broke his leg for example and can't get down?
American Alpine Club is obviously in US and they offer 5000$ compensation coverage for helicopter rescue (which is supposedly 1/2 of what you need to pay). IF rescue is FREE, WHY does AAC include this in their members benefits? Just to attract people?
by Sierra Ledge Rat » Sat May 15, 2010 4:25 am
by wasclywabbit » Sat May 15, 2010 5:11 am
dynamokiev98 wrote:AS I HEARD..if you need a helicopter rescue from the mountains you will be billed for 10,000$. When you sign up to be a member of American Alpine Club they will cover you for half of that if you need one..http://www.americanalpineclub.org/whyjoin
This was told to me by a friend...maybe someone with more knowledge on this issue can comment? And is it a good idea to join this club?
by mconnell » Sat May 15, 2010 5:31 am
FortMental wrote:The Chief wrote:I have never heard of a victim paying for rescue due to injury stemming from a valid accident of no malicious fault of their own.
Eagle Scout Fined $25,000 for Rescue
Nobody remembers the 17 yr. old kid who sprained his ankle on Mt. Washington? The bogus helicopter BS, the lost rescuers? I know, I know, it didn't happen in California and it didn't involve the Navy, so it probably doesn't count.
by The Chief » Sat May 15, 2010 6:00 am
FortMental wrote:The Chief wrote:I have never heard of a victim paying for rescue due to injury stemming from a valid accident of no malicious fault of their own.
Eagle Scout Fined $25,000 for Rescue
Nobody remembers the 17 yr. old kid who sprained his ankle on Mt. Washington? The bogus helicopter BS, the lost rescuers? I know, I know, it didn't happen in California and it didn't involve the Navy, so it probably doesn't count.
The Chief wrote:
I have never heard of a victim paying for rescue due to injury stemming from a valid accident of no malicious fault of their own.
Now, if the incident stems from a malicious activity, then the ensuing investigation will determine if it is necessary to go after the victim for restitution of expenses incurred in the process of the SAR OP. This has in fact occurred in the Valley on different occasions when the individuals that required rescue, did in fact violate local protocols and put themselves and the SAR Team in danger due to their actions.
by dadndave » Sat May 15, 2010 7:34 am
by dadndave » Sat May 15, 2010 7:58 am
PellucidWombat wrote:In a nutshell, here are the questions that I'm pondering for a worst case 'what if' scenario. I'll rant some more about them below.1. What are the legal ramifications for this, both for those left behind, and for the agencies that operate in the area?
2. Could this be done in the lower 48 states if it were contextually appropriate and specified a priori to family or a climbing partner?
3. How about just being left on the mountain until a recovery on foot could be achieved?
4. How could such wishes be adequately recorded such that the wishes are respected by the local authorities?
I would especially be interested on hearing thoughts from those involved with SAR. During the Shasta aftermath I learned a lot about SAR vs. recoveries and what can be said to the family and the press, and somewhat as to certain situations where people who died were left on Mt. Shasta, so I know these questions may be affected by bureaucratic policies as well.
by kozman18 » Sat May 15, 2010 1:07 pm
The Chief wrote:Now here is the REST OF THE STORY!
by The Chief » Sat May 15, 2010 3:53 pm
kozman18 wrote:The Chief wrote:Now here is the REST OF THE STORY!
New Hampshire ultimately backed off on this one. http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/699918-196/state-wont-charge-teen-25000-for-white.html
Created a real shitstorm. In backing off, NH never admitted that it was a mistake (at least in this instance) to levy a fine. The NH attorney general just used it as a teaching moment: “We hope that the publicity about his experience has served as an important teaching moment to others considering hiking in the White Mountains, so they might know that the dangers and risks of doing so should never be underestimated.”
by fossana » Sat May 15, 2010 8:50 pm
Luciano136 wrote:The Chief wrote:Who the fk cares what they do with your body after you die.... yur dead for God's sake.
I don't think I really care too much either. Cremating sounds like a good solution.
by kozman18 » Sat May 15, 2010 11:27 pm
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