by Buz Groshong » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:00 pm
by mrchad9 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:09 pm
by Scott » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:24 pm
by Josh Lewis » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:01 pm
by Bob Sihler » Mon Sep 24, 2012 11:59 pm
Scott wrote:I'm all for letting people delete their own content.
They don't delete anyone's summit logs, they just happen to disappear when the page is deleted. It's no big deal to go back and sign them.
As far as deleting the previous owner's material, why did they give up the page in the first place? They either abandoned it or gave it away. In either case, it is of no real consequence if deleted. The last thing we need here is more abandoned/empty pages (of which there are many).
If a page is deleted, simply have someone create a new one. There are thousands of members here that would be willing. A fresh page usually isn't a bad thing.
by Buz Groshong » Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:55 pm
Bob Sihler wrote:Scott wrote:I'm all for letting people delete their own content.
They don't delete anyone's summit logs, they just happen to disappear when the page is deleted. It's no big deal to go back and sign them.
As far as deleting the previous owner's material, why did they give up the page in the first place? They either abandoned it or gave it away. In either case, it is of no real consequence if deleted. The last thing we need here is more abandoned/empty pages (of which there are many).
If a page is deleted, simply have someone create a new one. There are thousands of members here that would be willing. A fresh page usually isn't a bad thing.
Scott, there are issues other than summit logs. Some people attach route pages, trip reports, and pictures, and then those pages, some of which might actually be good, are set adrift. The new page creator might not know those pages exist or might not find them through the search engine. And if the authors of the adrift (but good) pages are inactive, they won't see and know to reattach.
Another issue is links. When a lot of Colorado pages disappeared last spring, a lot of links on list pages became dead links. That makes those pages less useful, makes more work for the owners when pages are reposted, etc.
I agree people should be able to delete their written material for whatever reason, but I like the proposed idea that the page itself stays.
That would help prevent the holes some members blow into the site when they go postal.
And if they knew they would have to take the time to erase all written material from pages before leaving if they truly wanted their fingerprints erased from the site, it might make an incentive for some of them to cool off and think it over a bit.
As it stands now, someone with 100 pages can have a fit over something, delete every single page, and then be gone. If the intent is to hurt site management or ownership, that's not what happens. Instead, it hurts users and makes a lot of work for people who were in no way involved in whatever transpired to make the member leave.
by Scott » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:31 pm
Scott, there are issues other than summit logs. Some people attach route pages, trip reports, and pictures, and then those pages, some of which might actually be good, are set adrift. The new page creator might not know those pages exist or might not find them through the search engine. And if the authors of the adrift (but good) pages are inactive, they won't see and know to reattach.
Another issue is links. When a lot of Colorado pages disappeared last spring, a lot of links on list pages became dead links. That makes those pages less useful, makes more work for the owners when pages are reposted, etc.
I agree people should be able to delete their written material for whatever reason, but I like the proposed idea that the page itself stays.
That would help prevent the holes some members blow into the site when they go postal.
by Josh Lewis » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:44 pm
Scott wrote:Also, what if someone didn't want to leave the site, but just wanted to delete a page? I have actually done this on several occasions for various reasons that had nothing to do with getting angry or fits.
Also, if the page remained, how would they get their name off it?
Also, as far as deletions go, page owners should have deleting privileges for comments posted to pages. We used to, now we don't.
by Bob Sihler » Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:59 pm
Scott wrote:On the othre hand, it could also leave more blank/empty pages, of which there are plenty on SP. Also, what if someone didn't want to leave the site, but just wanted to delete a page? I have actually done this on several occasions for various reasons that had nothing to do with getting angry or fits.
Also, if the page remained, how would they get their name off it?
Also, as far as deletions go, page owners should have deleting privilages for comments posted to pages. We used to, now we don't.
by mrchad9 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:16 pm
Bob Sihler wrote:Scott wrote:Also, as far as deletions go, page owners should have deleting privilages for comments posted to pages. We used to, now we don't.
You can ask elves to delete abusive or irrelevant comments. I'm not so sure I like the idea of people being able to delete comments on their own pages, though. What if they are valid criticisms and the owner is unresponsive or defiant? Remember that guy you took to task years back for totally making up climbing information on peaks? What if he could have just deleted all your remarks, leaving no one the wiser.
by Scott » Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:41 pm
Just exactly why do you think you should be allowed to delete someone else's comment on your page Scott?
Admins could still do that upon request. Not as convenient as the current system, I admit, but maybe a reasonable tradeoff to avoid the problems some of these departures make for others.
You can ask elves to delete abusive or irrelevant comments.
by mrchad9 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:53 pm
Scott wrote:Just exactly why do you think you should be allowed to delete someone else's comment on your page Scott?
If it's very old or irrevelant, why not? For example, I've had political ads posted on some of my pages and I'm sure I'm not alone. Some people even go back and forth and have a political discussion using the mountain page comments. Do we really need these?
Much more common, how about old post when you didn't even have the page or posts that were long ago taken care of such as "you mis-spelled X" and it was fixed years ago?
Such posts aren't abusive (in fact were well meaning), they are just aren't applicable years after things are fixed and are empty content taking up server space. I usually don't go back and see if all my comments posted to pages (literally thousands of them) were taken care of, so I'm sure I have made a lot of comments on other's pages that were also fixed or integrated year's ago as well.
by Scott » Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:04 pm
In those situations the mods will delete the comments for you... that's why they are around.
If every user had the ability to delete the comments on their own then surely you can see it would be abused and people would delete legitimate comments they don't like as well.
BTW you can already delete comments under additions and corrections (presumably once it has been included on the main page). That seems like it would cover most of the situations.
by mrchad9 » Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:07 pm
Scott wrote:If every user had the ability to delete the comments on their own then surely you can see it would be abused and people would delete legitimate comments they don't like as well.
I don't recall it being a problem before. It was like that for several years.
by Scott » Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:11 pm
Well then should we be allowed to delete votes from users if we choose? That would be very similar and not cause any problems would it?
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