by herdbull » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:55 am
by ExcitableBoy » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:08 pm
by radson » Sat Sep 14, 2013 3:38 pm
by WyomingSummits » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:50 am
ExcitableBoy wrote:I do a lot of winter alpine climbing in the United States Pacific Northwest. The winters are not particularly cold, however, the climate is very wet. This heavily influences my choice of apparel. I don't bring extra base layers to change into when I sleep, except for socks. I dry the socks and glove liners I used during the day by tucking them against my stomach at night.
-Midweight merino wool long underwear, top and bottom. This stinks less than polyester.
-Dry merino wool liner socks
-Dry synthetic heavy mountaineering socks. I used premium merino wool socks for years, but switched to synthetic socks for the durability and price.
-Winter weight soft shell pants
-Marmot DriClime wind shirt.
-Fleece gloves
-Warm hat
-100 gram, Primaloft insulated, hooded belay parka.
This combination allows me to use a lightweight 15 degree F bag and thin Evazotte pad. If I am climbing something colder, say Rainier in February, I add a pair of PowerStretch fleece tights and a light weight, high lofting fleece sweater.
by slideandride » Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:15 am
by ExcitableBoy » Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:18 am
WyomingSummits wrote:You SLEEP in all of that? Or is that just your system for cold weather climbing?
by WyomingSummits » Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:26 am
ExcitableBoy wrote:WyomingSummits wrote:You SLEEP in all of that? Or is that just your system for cold weather climbing?
Yes, I sleep in all that. Using these layers (which I take for climbing anyways) allows me to use a +15 F bag for Rainier in middle of winter and the Alaska Range in spring, down to -20 F. I generally run quite hot, pathologically hot in fact. Still, this doesn't seem like a lot of layers. For most objectives just two layers on the legs, and three on the torso, two of them being pretty light.
by ExcitableBoy » Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:03 pm
WyomingSummits wrote:Whatever works......my bag would be a full hydration bladder by morning if I slept in a insulated parka in a 15 degree bag.
by herdbull » Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:26 am
WyomingSummits wrote:ExcitableBoy wrote:I do a lot of winter alpine climbing in the United States Pacific Northwest. The winters are not particularly cold, however, the climate is very wet. This heavily influences my choice of apparel. I don't bring extra base layers to change into when I sleep, except for socks. I dry the socks and glove liners I used during the day by tucking them against my stomach at night.
-Midweight merino wool long underwear, top and bottom. This stinks less than polyester.
-Dry merino wool liner socks
-Dry synthetic heavy mountaineering socks. I used premium merino wool socks for years, but switched to synthetic socks for the durability and price.
-Winter weight soft shell pants
-Marmot DriClime wind shirt.
-Fleece gloves
-Warm hat
-100 gram, Primaloft insulated, hooded belay parka.
This combination allows me to use a lightweight 15 degree F bag and thin Evazotte pad. If I am climbing something colder, say Rainier in February, I add a pair of PowerStretch fleece tights and a light weight, high lofting fleece sweater.
You SLEEP in all of that? Or is that just your system for cold weather climbing? I'd be a puddle of sweat in anything but my Merino base layers and a light fleece shirt. I do the same with my socks.....extra pair for sleeping while the others dry as my feet tend to run hot. I use a cooler bag.....on zero or below nights I can still get by with a 30 degree bag. I made the mistake one time of taking a 15 degree bag for nights in the 30's....BIG MISTAKE....man was I miserably hot. I usually take a light stretch beanie hat for sleeping in too....I have no hair so it's nice to have a layer on my head, and I can't stand having the bag over my face.
by ExcitableBoy » Fri Sep 20, 2013 2:49 pm
herdbull wrote:(chuckle) that's what I was thinking. I may be able to survive something close to a holocaust in that. But then again I don't have that much experience with single digit or below zero temps. The couple test nights I did into the 5 degree range in my MH Phantom 0 were comfy and I sleep with nothing on and let the bag do the work.
by herdbull » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:03 pm
ExcitableBoy wrote:herdbull wrote:(chuckle) that's what I was thinking. I may be able to survive something close to a holocaust in that. But then again I don't have that much experience with single digit or below zero temps. The couple test nights I did into the 5 degree range in my MH Phantom 0 were comfy and I sleep with nothing on and let the bag do the work.
If you didn't wear all your clothes to bed, you brought too many or too warm a sleeping bag. By taking a heavy bag and letting "the bag do the work", you are carrying more weight and bulk than you need to. Wearing your clothes to bed, including your belay jacket, allows you to bring a much lighter bag. For me that means a 2lb 4oz 15 degree bag in winter in the Cascades and the Alaska Range in spring. Carrying extra weight and bulk is not a big deal for camping, but for doing actual alpine routes it can be a deal breaker.
by ExcitableBoy » Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:42 pm
herdbull wrote: If you're gonna load up on clothes and jump into a bag why even take a bag at all?
herdbull wrote:The bag is supposed to do the work not the clothes.
herdbull wrote:The extra weight of your clothes is probably half again as much as my bag. But to each his own.
herdbull wrote:
Geeshhhzzz... sometimes I'm sorry for asking questions
by ExcitableBoy » Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:23 am
herdbull wrote:
The bag is supposed to do the work not the clothes.
by DudeThatMustHurt » Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:23 pm
by mrchad9 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:50 pm
ExcitableBoy wrote:herdbull wrote:(chuckle) that's what I was thinking. I may be able to survive something close to a holocaust in that. But then again I don't have that much experience with single digit or below zero temps. The couple test nights I did into the 5 degree range in my MH Phantom 0 were comfy and I sleep with nothing on and let the bag do the work.
If you didn't wear all your clothes to bed, you brought too many or too warm a sleeping bag. By taking a heavy bag and letting "the bag do the work", you are carrying more weight and bulk than you need to. Wearing your clothes to bed, including your belay jacket, allows you to bring a much lighter bag. For me that means a 2lb 4oz 15 degree bag in winter in the Cascades and the Alaska Range in spring. Carrying extra weight and bulk is not a big deal for camping, but for doing actual alpine routes it can be a deal breaker.
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