Jeroen Vels - Jan 19, 2007 5:04 pm - Hasn't voted
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foxylady - Feb 28, 2007 6:08 pm - Hasn't voted
These are...pretty much the worst ice-tools ever made....GOSH!!!
Blair - Feb 28, 2007 6:54 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: These are...Geez foxy, that's a bold statement! What don't you like about them so much to throw around the word WORST? Not trying to be mean, but just curious of the rationale behind your statement...
foxylady - Feb 28, 2007 7:10 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: These are...It's a joke between Dan and I.
Have you ever seen "Napoleon Dynamite"?
Blair - Feb 28, 2007 7:14 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: These are...OOOH, I get it...That's funny! My bad! Now you will have to excuse me, I have cage fighter training to get to!
rhyang - Feb 28, 2007 7:56 pm - Hasn't voted
Hmm...Actually I have read that these tools are not made for ice climbing, but rather hard mixed climbing. Maybe for us who do not lead M9's and WI5+ we would not know the difference though ... what do you think ?
Dan Dalton - Mar 1, 2007 5:09 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Hmm...When compared to other tools, such as the BD Vipers, they definately take more effort on WI2-3+ since there is more of a wrist swing. I really have not had a probelm though. Granted I used them on rock more than ice, they do their job just as well as the others and have more versatility. I really love these tools and highly recomend them. Even drytooling in gyms and on M4-6 is perfect for these bad boys...
Dan
rhyang - Mar 1, 2007 6:15 am - Hasn't voted
Re: Hmm...That's cool. Ever tried Nomics ?
Dan Dalton - Mar 1, 2007 2:21 pm - Hasn't voted
Re: Hmm...Yes. I have to say, I a like them a lot too. Other than them being even more expensive than the BDs, tney don't have much more to offer. I like the curvature on the BD more and if you do not have the extra weights on the picks for the nomics, they do not stick very well because the pick seems to be a little flimsy. With the weights on they are pretty good. Once again, with the Nomics, they do b etter on WI4 M4 and up, otherwise it takes a littl extra wrist effort on the lower grades, but still works well. I'll stick with the BDs, in my opinion they are still the best.
Dan
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