granite4brains wrote: Dingus Milktoast wrote:
granite4brains wrote:I think its all misconception in the original post. I'd say probably 99.999% of climbers, if they could, somehow know for sure beforehand, they would die attaining a summit, they would turn around. They only continued on because they thought they could probably get away with it and live.
It's one thing taking a calculated risk to achieve a summit, but knowingly going to your death, that's a whole 'nother ballgame.
There are tons of stories in history where people knowingly gave their lives for a greater cause - now, that's admirable.
"Forward!" he cried, from the rear, and the front line died.
huh? If you're appying that to what I said, I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying?
Taint no thing bruddah.
Personally I think most experienced mountaineers have made the summit or die choice more times than most of us, myself included, would care to admit.
Push up through suspect windslab? After telling yourself its too dangerous, then talking yourself into dismissing those suspeicions? Ever do that?
Walked beneath teetering seracs? You say its different but is it? Is it really different?
"If I knew it was CERTAIN death..." Yes yes, of course. But you won't know for certain, it seems to me. That 'if I KNOW I'll die on the descent I'll turn around" is a bit of a dodge.
Its an interesting topic.