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Re: NPS vs. BLM

Postby SeanReedy » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:14 pm

Buz Groshong wrote:There are lots of kids on that trail and most of the parents need a more "in your face" warning than that. Speaking of which, a woman who used to work with me told a story of hiking White Oak Canyon and seeing a kid playing over by one of the falls. She approached the parents, who were paying no attention to the child, and told them "you know it would really ruin the day for the rest of us if your child fell in and got killed." That got the parents' attention.
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Tourons, women, and kids! Oh, my!

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I saw the word facts mentioned somewhere above. So how many kids have died or needed rescue, or is it young to middle age men who tend to fall in or go splat on the rocks? The only place anyone ever gave my kids a funny look and vocalized a concern was near a railing in a National Park. My kids were stepping on the lower rung of a railing at a drive-up overlook in Natural Bridges NP with my wife and I less than arms reach away. A couple of feet of spare rock lay beyond the railing, which guarded an initial 5-10 foot drop (a larger drop lay beyond). It's usually touron types projecting their own perception of danger on others who get overly nervous about such things; that's one of many reasons I tend to avoid national parks in favor of National Forest and BLM land. :lol:

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Re: NPS vs. BLM

Postby MoapaPk » Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:49 pm

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Re: NPS vs. BLM

Postby SeanReedy » Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:27 pm

MoapaPk wrote:http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-07-25/features/ct-talk-brotman-yosemite-0725-20110725_1_park-deaths-grand-canyon-poor-judgment


Well, the author seems to indicate many incidents involving young and middle aged adults inexperienced, goofing around, ignoring safety warnings, ill prepared, ill informed, or all of the above. It's fitting that the article mentions church groups and perceived spiritual protection with today being 12/21/12. Now that the world hasn't ended, we can refocus on national parks as a source to inspire fear again.
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Re: NPS vs. BLM

Postby Gafoto » Sun Dec 23, 2012 7:34 am

mrchad9 wrote:Unless I saw the data I wouldn't believe it. The NPS and its staff are not exactly purveyors of wisdom.

They've been telling me to take a water filter into the Sierra for years... I still haven't done it and have yet to find any reason why I should do so.

Because some of the lake are filthy? Sure, it's mostly clean but they tell people to use filters because some of the lakes aren't safe to drink from unfiltered. On the way up Bishop Pass I wouldn't drink from any lake in that drainage without a filter, too much pack stock.
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Re: NPS vs. BLM

Postby Diggler » Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:48 am

MoapaPk wrote:There is a great sign near Maroon Bells, shows a guy with crampons and ice tools climbing rock.


It's actually a chick.
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Yes, one can climb rock with crampons and tools.
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Having seen or heard of numerous examples of people attempting to climb things beyond their ability level (& endangering themselves or others in the process), esp. mountains such as the Bells (which are RIGHT THERE from the parking lot), I don't necessarily see a problem with a given management agency trying to dissuade (or if nothing else inform) ambitious yet ignorant individuals. As long as restrictions aren't imposed, permits required, etc., signs like that don't bother me too much...
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Re: NPS vs. BLM

Postby MoapaPk » Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:03 pm

Diggler wrote:
MoapaPk wrote:There is a great sign near Maroon Bells, shows a guy with crampons and ice tools climbing rock.



Yes, one can climb rock with crampons and tools.


Yes, the sign helps people select representative gear to climb Maroon Bells.
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Re: NPS vs. BLM

Postby simonov » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:00 am

Here are some officially sanctioned activities on BLM land not too far from here:

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More BLM fun: Not officially sanctioned, but legal!

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Re: NPS vs. BLM

Postby Scott » Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:41 am

Sign at Volcán Arenal, Costa Rica:

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The volcano is active, but it's the zombies that will get you.
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Re: NPS vs. BLM

Postby Mark Doiron » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:11 pm

Big Bend National Park ...

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Surely that last line about removal of the sign was put there because some idiot removed the previous one, wouldn't you think?
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Re: NPS vs. BLM

Postby Bob Burd » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:18 am

simonov wrote:Here are some officially sanctioned activities on BLM land not too far from here:

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A couple of years ago they had an off-road race on BLM land near Barstow, CA. One of the racers lost control and rolled into the stands, killing eight.

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Race promoter Mojave Desert Racing had a BLM permit for the event which required racers to travel 15 mph or less when they were within 50 feet of fans, and allowed no more than 300 spectators for the event.

50,000 people attended the race, some standing within 4ft of trucks going 100mph.

The BLM was found to be at fault for not properly supervising the promoter. :shock:

C'mon people, it's BLM, not NPS!
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Re: NPS vs. BLM

Postby simonov » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:45 am

Bob Burd wrote:The BLM was found to be at fault for not properly supervising the promoter. :shock:

C'mon people, it's BLM, not NPS!


BLM needs better lawyers.

The SCTA land speed trials, pictured above, have been happening at Muroc (now Edwards Air Force Base) and El Mirage since the 1930s. They have it down, pat. There are no spectators within maybe 50 yards of the course (except at the start, where most cars have to be pushed, they are geared so high). No one gets hurt except sometimes a driver. Watched a lakester barrel roll into the traps at 180 MPH last October. This was the helicopter evacuation of the driver:

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Re: NPS vs. BLM

Postby butitsadryheat » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:48 am

On the other hand, Darwin awards were handed out at that race to those who stood so close.
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Re: NPS vs. BLM

Postby Recone » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:07 am

The Department of Conservation here in New Zealand has some pretty funny signs up as well.

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Big wave?
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Re: NPS vs. BLM

Postby simonov » Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:02 pm

butitsadryheat wrote:On the other hand, Darwin awards were handed out at that race to those who stood so close.


I read about that race when the crash happened. The dumbassery was acute and widespread.
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Re: NPS vs. BLM

Postby Bob Burd » Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:43 pm

Here's your typical NPS hiking map:
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Here's your typical BLM hiking map:
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And that little bit of trail they show from the trailhead doesn't even exist. I love BLM.
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