by Dow Williams » Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:04 pm
by WouterB » Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:10 pm
by bird » Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:42 pm
by Hotoven » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:09 pm
by MoapaPk » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:15 pm
by Dow Williams » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:32 pm
MoapaPk wrote:What gets me is the cost of boots for alpine climbs, even on fairly mild routes. Our local group wants to go to Rainier by the Disappointment Cleaver in June, and the push is to get heavy plastics. I'm in price shock.
by Hotoven » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:38 pm
Dow Williams wrote:MoapaPk wrote:What gets me is the cost of boots for alpine climbs, even on fairly mild routes. Our local group wants to go to Rainier by the Disappointment Cleaver in June, and the push is to get heavy plastics. I'm in price shock.
I climbed that route that time of year with approach shoes and strap ons....not because I am hard, quite the opposite....because it is so much more comfortable! You owe me huge (in blisters and cash), but I will let you in on a secret, you do not need plastics period, much less doubles. Go with a light boot.
by welle » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:50 pm
Dow Williams wrote:How come all I ever meet out there on the rock or ice are dirtbaggers who can barely afford a cup of joe, much less afford these premium hollywood climbing brands? Who are these folks who spend $500 on jackets and $800 on sleeping bags? Do they climb routes above 5.6? If we invented a premium titanium plated cam and charged $300 per for it, would they buy it?
by Dow Williams » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:16 pm
welle wrote:Dow Williams wrote:How come all I ever meet out there on the rock or ice are dirtbaggers who can barely afford a cup of joe, much less afford these premium hollywood climbing brands? Who are these folks who spend $500 on jackets and $800 on sleeping bags? Do they climb routes above 5.6? If we invented a premium titanium plated cam and charged $300 per for it, would they buy it?
People who don't have 2 homes like you, can afford to splurge on some climbing gear that could potentially save their lives. I'm sure there are Sandy Pitmans out there, but there are also Doug Hansens among us - people who cut their other expenditures and spend most their hard-earned nickels on climbing gear...
by outofstep80 » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:19 pm
Hotoven wrote:I know a few people with a few sets of brand new cams and they do not trad climb. Its very interesting. They sport climb around 5.8 and 5.9 on a good day. There's posers in every sport.
When I was really into skateboarding before my knees went bad, I met kids my age with 300.00 decks who could not do a single trick (this was in the 1990's too) where I would go to skate comps with my $30.00 K-mart board and place.
Its in every sport. They usually move on to something else that's more interesting to them over time it seems.
by welle » Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:58 pm
Dow Williams wrote:welle wrote:Dow Williams wrote:How come all I ever meet out there on the rock or ice are dirtbaggers who can barely afford a cup of joe, much less afford these premium hollywood climbing brands? Who are these folks who spend $500 on jackets and $800 on sleeping bags? Do they climb routes above 5.6? If we invented a premium titanium plated cam and charged $300 per for it, would they buy it?
People who don't have 2 homes like you, can afford to splurge on some climbing gear that could potentially save their lives. I'm sure there are Sandy Pitmans out there, but there are also Doug Hansens among us - people who cut their other expenditures and spend most their hard-earned nickels on climbing gear...
I don't own two homes....do you just make this stuff up as you go??? This was not about me, but sure, I don't buy feathered dead birds even though I can easily afford it. I would prefer to give money to charity than waste it on foolish bullshit. I climb in as tough of environs as any of you, but have no use for these hollywood brands. They just suck you in with their marketing that somehow their product will save you in a pinch.
Layering is key to climbing comfortable and staying dry, if you are truly climbing and working hard. Also if you are climbing hard, you should be tearing through your clothes, rock and ice are abrasive, crampons and tools sharp. Who can afford to worry about their $500+ jacket or pants? To get back to my main point, the young and hard climbers who are pursuing their passion on the road for huge chunks at a time, whether in Canmore or Moab.....I don't see them wearing dead bird or sleeping in fancy ass bags. (somebody needs to explain to me what these fancy bags do for you....if there is a collapsible mini bar in there, I might want one)
by Dow Williams » Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:11 pm
by zeroforhire » Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:18 pm
by Dow Williams » Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:24 pm
by MoapaPk » Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:25 pm
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